Question on classification for JFOs.

[YsOffcr]

I was just looking at slow 5.0's list of mods and compared it to mine and I am trying to figure out which on of us is in the wrong class. Here's the two lists:

Slow 5.0-Lightly Modified Class
ENGINE

5.0L 302ci V8
Air Silencer removed
K&N panel filter
Mass Air convertion (stock 55mm MAF and A9L comp.)
FMS 65mm Throttle body
FMS 93' Cobra Intake
95GT heads (3-angle valve job, polished bowls, etc.)
ASP Underdrive pulleys
FMS Hi-torque starter
86' Flat top pistons were fly cut
Timing advanced 14 degrees
Optima Red Top battery

Ignition
MSD TFI Blaster Coil
MSD 6A Ignition Box
Taylor Vertex Pro series 8mm wires

Exhaust
BBK Chrome Unequal length headers
BBK High flow H-pipe
DynoMax Super Turbo Mufflers w/ 2.5 tails

Cooling
Auto Zone 3-core copper/brass Radiator
Police Fan Clutch
180 degree thermostat
Flow Kooler hi-flow water pump

Suspension
Kenny Brown Strut Tower Brace
Kenny Brown 4-point Lower
Kenny Brown Super Subframes

Transmission & Gears
Tremec T-5(Z) (2.95 1st gear)
Hurst Short Throw shifter (The older style)
FMS 3.73



INTERIOR

Canyon Red
Single A-Pillar pod
2 5/8 Ford Racing water temp
5" Ford SVO Tach w/ Shift Light
88' GT Front seats
88' GT Rear folding seats
Convertible trunk springs
87'-93' Notchback rear interior panels w/ pockets
Alpine 7578 CD Player
Infinity Reference 3 1/2 speakers Front
Clairion Pro-Audio 6" x 9" speakers Rear



EXTERIOR

Black
30% tint on Driver and Pass. windows
25% tint on quarter windows
20% tint on rear windshield
87'-93' Rear quarter windows
87'-93' Door moldings
87'-93' Side Mirrors
79'-82' Tail lights
Chrome trim blacked out
"Motorsport 5.0" deck lid emblem
Sylvainia SilverStar headlights

Mine-Moderately Modified class

ENGINE
-Trick Flow Track Heat upper/lower
-Mac fenderwell CAI
-Mac underdrive pulleys
-FRPP wires,cap,rotor
-FRPP aluminum radiator
-flex fan
-Professional Products 70mm TB & spacer
-Pro-M 76mm mass air meter
-FRPP 24lb injectors
-Holley adj. fuel pressure regulator
-Professional Products fuel pressure gauge
-190 lph fuel pump
-Mac 1 5/8" unequal length headers
-Mac Pro-chamber
-Mac cat back
-Optima red top battery

SUSPENSION/CHASSIS
-FRPP "Bullitt" springs
-KYB struts/shocks
-Steeda strut tower brace
-Steeda G-trac brace
-subframe connectors

Transmission
-AOD to Tremec 2.95 T-5 swap
-Steeda Tri-ax shifter
-FRPP aluminum driveshaft
-3.73 gears
-FRPP King Cobra clutch
-Adj. clutch cable with firewall adjuster, and billet clutch quadrant

Interior/Exterior
-Steeda billet pedals
-Steeda shift knob
-Steeda 9mm hp door lock pins
-Black ACC carpet
-Shortened antenna
-Smoked projector headlights
-Smoked fog lights
-LX tail lights
-Tinted windows 50% front/35% rear
-Black bumper inserts

I just want to know if there is a set criteria or just whatever the judge felt like at the time.

[yosemiddysam]

I am in moderately modified as well. I think mine is just though. Ya'lls looks about the same.

[REEF93]

well I have virtually the same exact mods that you have minus a couple of suspension mods, albiet ive forgotten to list my driveshaft and adjustable clucth quadrant and im in lightly modified so I can certainly see where you are coming from

[YsOffcr]

I am in moderately modified as well. I think mine is just though. Ya'lls looks about the same.

I agree that we are about equal in the engine/suspension area, but he has done an ext/int upgrade to the 87-93 years.

[YsOffcr]

Is ANYONE going to give an answer to my classification question? I mean this classification thing is getting out of hand. First of all I would like to say is I never asked to be classified, when I looked at the new JFOs I saw I had alredy been Classified as Moderately Modified. Why is mine Moderate? Just because I did a AOD to T-5 swap? It's not like I put a T-56 in it, T-5s came stock in these cars. Mine just happened to come with an AOD and I changed it. And now I look at the list and see this one in the same category.

Interior

Auto Meter gauge pod w/ Oil Pressure and Water Temp Auto Meter "Phantom Series" gauges
Custom painted interior pieces
Katzkin custom leather seats
Mac white face gauges
MGW LTD chrome interior accents
White LEDs used in door panels

Exterior

House of Kolor Kandy Magenta flames with Orion Silver tips hand outlined in teal
Dayton Imports Vertical Doors
2001 Mustang GT hood scoop
2001 Mustang GT side scoops
Bullit Mustang fuel door
Fiberglass Challenger bumper
Custom Clear Corners
Muth Signal Mirrors
Sequential Tail Lights
Tinted Windows
Underbody Neon Kit (purple)
Vinyl Bumper Inserts
Whelen Four Strobe Kit
Eibach Sportline Lowering Kit
17x9 Chrome Cobra R's

Multimedia

5" LCDs in front visors
7" widescreen LCD in trunk lid
Alpine CVA-1006 head unit
Alpine CHA-S614 6-disc changer
Custom trunk enclosure with plexiglass flame accents and Mustang Pony backlit with purple neon
JL Audio 500.1 monoblock amp (subs)
Kicker Impluse 40x4 amp (highs)
Kicker Solobarics (10" x2)
Lanzar DVD-97 DVD player

Engine/Performance

Mac Cold Air Induction
ASP Underdrive Pulley
Chrome alternator
Chrome overflow bottle
Chrome power steering neck cover
Chrome strut tower caps
MGW LTD billit chrome dipstick handle
MGW LTD billit chrome oil cap
Polished fuse block cover
Polished upper radiator hose
3.73 Gears w/ T-Lok
Transgo Shift Kit
Custom dual exhaust with Holley Flowtech Warlock mufflers w/ 2.5" exhaust bypass
JBA Shorty Cat4ward headers
McCord Power Plates (electronic exhaust cutouts)

How am I supposed to compete with this?

[J]

All you have to do is asked to be downgraded classes. Which judge classified you?

[YsOffcr]

The one with that looks like Starsky. The problem isn't with just where I was put, but it seems there is no rhyme or reason to the whole classification process. I know you have alot to do running this site, and doing a great job at it, but in my humble opinion ther should be a few people to classify the cars, and the judges. Have the "classifiers" go by some brief guidelines, for example: less than 5 interior, exterior, engine and suspension mods would put one in Stock. This way the classification process would have some guidance, and not the random "let's flip a coin" way it looks now.

[J]

thats not how its done now.

You cant go by number of mods.

Example.

New Badge
New AC Knobs
New Shifter Knob
New Floor Mats
New Attenna
New Headlights
New Taillights
New Oil Cap Cover
New Gas Gap Cover
New Fuse Box Cover
K&N Air filter


This is STILL a lightly modified car.

If you would Like to be a classifer. I can set you up.

[YsOffcr]

I know you can't do it that way. Like racing seats, roll bar, rear seat delete wouldn't equal billet a/c knobs, shift knob, and shifter bezel. I can give it a try, I just don't like bitchin' without offering a solution. I know how hard it is to run a site.

[J]

I guess the point im trying to make is the classifers cant be perfect they will tend to fuck up every now and then but for the most part they have done pretty good IMO

[YsOffcr]

The point I was trying to make was that 1. Yes we are all human and people tend to make mistakes 2. My mustang was classified before I even decided to participate in the JFOs 3. I think there are more than just a couple of mistakes in some of the classes. If you notice I was going down the list in my class and challenging each one to make a point, that the class is mismatched. The only face off I have won that I thought was an equal match up was against HerNastyNotch, which if I would have lost I would have nothing to say because ours are pretty equally matched. The one against you surprised me because of the fact you have done much more to the exterior. I will welcome the chance to help out, but if you think it is fine the way it is you're the one in charge. I was just voicing my opinion.

[J]

I cant make the decisions for the judges... I tell them to do their best when classifying.. if they make a mistake just ask to be re-evaluated or changed classes... its not a problem if you dont agree with them...

[YsOffcr]

So I take it you really didn't want me to accept your offer to help classifying people, and you don't know why I was put in the class I'm in or why I was classified without asking to be classified. No problem, I'll just be happy in whichever class I'm in and I'll STFU.

[J]

So I take it you really didn't want me to accept your offer to help classifying people, and you don't know why I was put in the class I'm in or why I was classified without asking to be classified. No problem, I'll just be happy in whichever class I'm in and I'll STFU.

Whoever participated in the Judged Face-offs PRIOR to us creating classifications was AUTOMATICALLY classified. If you would like to be removed from a class please contact me. I can make you a classifier if you wish, would you like to judge cars too?

[YsOffcr]

Whoever participated in the Judged Face-offs PRIOR to us creating classifications was AUTOMATICALLY classified. If you would like to be removed from a class please contact me. I can make you a classifier if you wish, would you like to judge cars too?

OK, that makes sense, since Autro Ramos challenged me after I questioned his car, and it was before the classes were made. I would be more than happy to help classify and judge.

[Scott 01Cobra]

Well, I can only imagine how hard it must be to class the cars ...... nitemare on elmstreet part 120000.

I think J is doing a marvelous job - hats off.

YsOffcr, I think you would make a great classifier/judge .....

[YsOffcr]

Thanks Scott. I'm not complaining about how J is running the site, he does a great job at what he does. I just wasn't seeing how I could compete with BadSnake98, and Stang 38L, which both of them have put alot of work in their stangs. Thanks for clearing some of it up for me J.

[psyfire]

well shit J...if your handin out jobs...throw one this way man...I'm on here all night!! lol