Questions for all Liberal's, Please help me understand!!!

[ITLRUN]

I can't agree with you more Blown93 and Clint just on small comment to you about how you guys would make a better country ? Maybe but the America would rid of all of the Extreme Liberals and Anti-Americans We would all be Americans and Americans only but anyways Blown93 hit it on the nose we all need to get our head out of our ass and look @ the real picture this country is going to hell in a handbasket weather you a Liberal or Conservative or an Independent, We all need to have faith that God will prevail over it all, one day the Eastern sky will open and it will all be over . God Bless us All.

[93ramvert]

The politics of this country have gotten out of control and I believe there is a percentage of politicians that are ruining it for the democratic society we live in.
The fact is, this country better get it's head out of it's ass if we want to succede as a nation because we are heading to hell in a hand basket fast.

This may seem to be a very stupid statement to make against toms original post, but I just don't want to get caught up in this political firestorm that usually ends up shedding bad blood.Tom I hope you find your answer I don't believe you will because judging from the answers that you have gotten thus far, it basicly reflects the the way things are run in the "puzzle palace"(commonly refered to as our goverment)

Your friend, Joey.

I agree Joey, the problem for me I quess is that both sides have issues. and I agree the country needs to get it's head out of it's ass. What needs to happen is do away with the two politcal partys all together, intertwine the two to make it more agreeable. I know that there are Dems. who think to the right and there are some Rep. that think towards the left. but both sides are afraid to show it for fear of pissing off there party and loosing credability within their party. The only one that has not been afraid to do this is John Mcain. That's in my opinion, maybe more have sso mr Clint don't go gettin all huffy.

[93ramvert]

haha, yea good idea. Then youd be really mad when we make their economy and quality of life better than Americas.

Now this is a lame ass statement. First off, the Afghanies wouldn't have you, because they hate Americans , Liberal, Conservitive, Rich, Poor, they hate us. Second, we all now communism/socialism doesn't work except for in favor of the rich (But then again you'd all be rich so you say, so ya your right maybe it would work). Third you'd get your asses handed to you in a war to be overthrown because your too afraid to protect yourself for fear of upsetting someone, besides the fact you would have put little to no money into a Defense System (I know first hand I served under Clinton, so I'm not buckling to what I hear).

I didn't post this thread to start shit, I posted this thread so I could be enlightend. If I came of as offense in the first post I apologize. I wasn't trying to down anyone, it was simply questions about things I've heard, some of them I've seen as fact (Not to have been falling for what people are saying). I don't believe everything I hear, I'm not as naive as you might think Clinteastwood. So you can keep downing me if you wish, you look like the moron. I don't think I came out swinging, I'll have to go back and read it again. But I don't think I did. I admit I may even have made some statements that were not 100% backed up, but I knew that I could get evidence to. I know both sides could fight that. But I don't think I came out swinging with the negative remarks like you did Clinteastwood.

[My Cobra]

See this is what the government do not want us to do. now stop thinking. Just go along with it. you are an american you are allowed to think what you want as long as it does not make the "Man" look bad. ha ha

[ClintEastwood]

ughhhh!!!! Whenever i have a political discussion with a repub. i just get called a pussy or that im scared to fight for my country...nah not quite. I just decided i didnt want to get shot in the face for something i didnt care about. Anyway I had a cousin killed in Iraq at a checkpoint by a suicide bomber. Being liberal does not make you against war. But were definitely against this war, because it is pointless. It doesnt benefit us in any way, and that will be proven in a couple years when the new democracy over there is overthrown. You must be blind if you cant see the trouble that this administration has caused, from this pointless war, to the economy(yes it is Bush's fault), to the job losses. Theres also a stereotype that the democrats want to take away guns, WE DONT. I think thats the reason the many people are republicans, because they love their guns. Well guess what, i own and love guns, and i hunt. And im a small town citizen from a middle class working family and i like to drink beer. I fit the republican steretype to a T. Hell in the 2000 election i would have voted for Bush. But in the past couple years as he has been in office i have seen the crap he has caused. Ive seen my dad ( a UAW worker for John Deere) lose benefits...we have to now see different doctors, and it takes months to get simple appointments because insurance only pays to go to certain hospitals now. All this happened during the Bush reign. Its crap.

Its pointless to argue anymore, Im done with this thread.

[BossHoss]

....And that's the way it was..May 18,2005

Thank you and Goodnight

[93ramvert]

ughhhh!!!! Whenever i have a political discussion with a repub. i just get called a pussy or that im scared to fight for my country...nah not quite. I just decided i didnt want to get shot in the face for something i didnt care about. Anyway I had a cousin killed in Iraq at a checkpoint by a suicide bomber. Being liberal does not make you against war. But were definitely against this war, because it is pointless. It doesnt benefit us in any way, and that will be proven in a couple years when the new democracy over there is overthrown. You must be blind if you cant see the trouble that this administration has caused, from this pointless war, to the economy(yes it is Bush's fault), to the job losses. Theres also a stereotype that the democrats want to take away guns, WE DONT. I think thats the reason the many people are republicans, because they love their guns. Well guess what, i own and love guns, and i hunt. And im a small town citizen from a middle class working family and i like to drink beer. I fit the republican steretype to a T. Hell in the 2000 election i would have voted for Bush. But in the past couple years as he has been in office i have seen the crap he has caused. Ive seen my dad ( a UAW worker for John Deere) lose benefits...we have to now see different doctors, and it takes months to get simple appointments because insurance only pays to go to certain hospitals now. All this happened during the Bush reign. Its crap.

Its pointless to argue anymore, Im done with this thread.

I quess you did'nt read anything I said. I AM A REGISTERED INDEPENDENT Hell I voted Clinton the first time around. I didn't call you a pussy, lets look back, "Third you'd get your asses handed to you in a war to be overthrown because your too afraid to protect yourself for fear of upsetting someone, besides the fact you would have put little to no money into a Defense System (I know first hand I served under Clinton, so I'm not buckling to what I hear)". Nope I didn't call you a pussy, I didn't think I did. It's the truth the Dem.s will not put the needed money into the Defense. Then there's the typical finger pointing of the jobless claims, when did shit start falling apart, soon after Bush took office the first time. Hello how can he be held accountable for all of it. 9/11 killed a lot of those jobs as well, whether you care to admit it or not. I'm in the Aerospace Industry and it took a hard hit, which in turn hit many other industrys that support it. WWHHHHAAAAAA. Sorry a union worker can't get his way. Life isn't a Union you take what you get and you work with it. And don't start on the I don't know what Union is because my father was in one as well, he made out quite well, after 30 yrs he's taking home 90% of his income and doesn't pay an ounce for health care.
Ya know what I hated my health insurance provider, but I had no choice because that's what my employer gave me. I deal with it, it all works out in the wash, it just may not be as convenient for you. Shit I lost benefits and I'm not in a union I had 100% paid health now I'm at 30% so whatever, that was before Bush, so now what did I blame Clinton No.

The only reason this war is pointless now to anyone is because no WMD's were found. If we didn't go and Saddam had used what he had to kill Americans that would have been Bushes fault too. If we had founf WMD's it would have been credited to the Dems for backing Bush. The blame is always pushed t the other side, your blind if you can't see that.

Its pointless to argue anymore, Im done with this thread.

Thanks for your insight, I wasn't looking for what you had to offer. I was hoping for some real input. I said that in my last post, and you still come back swinging. It's o.k. you can come down now.

[ITLRUN]

LoL looks like we got a Show down here lol and like I said God Bless us all Anyways I do have one thing to say about Job loss and benefit loss. For one I am a Union worker Local 126 IAM and we can thank most of all of our job lose to NAFTA and that was started years ago and both parties back it and it is the main reason for jobs being lost in America to other countries and all 9/11 had to do with it was is reductions. Most of the job loss is because of NAFTA look it up and the benifit loss is becaoue the rich want to get richer and not to mention the rising cost of health care. Just put this into prospective. With all of the bogus law suits going on today the health insurance is on the increase and the rich keep getting richer and the poor getting poorer and think about this look at all of the money going into cancer and aids research among many others. If they have found a cure do you thing they would let us little people know? NO!!! like I said the rich keep getting richer, if they found a cure for cancer they would not let it out because, all of the reasearch monies and jobs would be lost and the cure would fix everyone and look at all of them job losses. Now thats food for thought.

[NoSlo5.0]

ughhhh!!!! Whenever i have a political discussion with a repub. i just get called a pussy or that im scared to fight for my country...nah not quite. I just decided i didnt want to get shot in the face for something i didnt care about. Anyway I had a cousin killed in Iraq at a checkpoint by a suicide bomber. Being liberal does not make you against war. But were definitely against this war, because it is pointless. It doesnt benefit us in any way, and that will be proven in a couple years when the new democracy over there is overthrown. You must be blind if you cant see the trouble that this administration has caused, from this pointless war, to the economy(yes it is Bush's fault), to the job losses. Theres also a stereotype that the democrats want to take away guns, WE DONT. I think thats the reason the many people are republicans, because they love their guns. Well guess what, i own and love guns, and i hunt. And im a small town citizen from a middle class working family and i like to drink beer. I fit the republican steretype to a T. Hell in the 2000 election i would have voted for Bush. But in the past couple years as he has been in office i have seen the crap he has caused. Ive seen my dad ( a UAW worker for John Deere) lose benefits...we have to now see different doctors, and it takes months to get simple appointments because insurance only pays to go to certain hospitals now. All this happened during the Bush reign. Its crap.

Its pointless to argue anymore, Im done with this thread.

Don't be done...

The economy was well on the way out before Bush took office.

Bill and Hillary were supposed to "fix" our healthcare system, remember?

I'm not a union member, but I'm covered by the IBEW. I won't give them a red cent. Nothing chaps my ass more than lazy ass faggots spouting the "what the contract says" instead of getting some work done to support the company that signs my paycheck.

The declining medical coverage/benefit isn't the President's fault. It isn't necessarily corporate's fault. My company has been very generous to pick up the tab in the face of exponentially rising healthcare costs. Those costs are a direct result of the greed of the hospitals and care providers. Have you looked at an itemized hospital bill lately? The charges are insane, impossible to comprehend at times.

If you can't see how stability in the Middle East benefits us directly, then imagine what $5 a gallon will feel like at the pump.

I think the liberal or conservative stance is as simple as Ford or chevy. What ideals you were exposed to through your formative years likely forged your position. If your liberal Dad came home praising his union (who support democrats exclusively) and their great deeds despite the efforts of the bumbling idiot Republicans, then I'd say you were more likely to lean that way.

[ClintEastwood]

my dad isnt liberal, hes conservative, but a democrat.

Oh yea, i pick chevy.

[NoSlo5.0]

A conservative democrat, is that the same as a liberal Republican?

[ClintEastwood]

i dunno, thats just what he told me. He votes democrat all the way, as do i. But he considers himself conservative.

[ITLRUN]

i dunno, thats just what he told me. He votes democrat all the way, as do i. But he considers himself conservative.

LOL you just told us there Clint LOL "He votes democrat all the way" Thats is a Liberal Democrat all they way not being open minded to vote for who is best for the job rather it be any party. I'm a registured Republican but If a Democrat or Independent I felt was better for the job I would vote for them. This is where we all need to get our heads out of our asses and look at the real picture and quit having tunnel vision. And as stated brefore may God Bless us All Amen.

[93ramvert]

LOL you just told us there Clint LOL "He votes democrat all the way" Thats is a Liberal Democrat all they way not being open minded to vote for who is best for the job rather it be any party. I'm a registured Republican but If a Democrat or Independent I felt was better for the job I would vote for them. This is where we all need to get our heads out of our asses and look at the real picture and quit having tunnel vision. And as stated brefore may God Bless us All Amen.

I knew I liked you for a reason. I'm with you. Whoever's best for the job. Clint seems to be falling into John Kerry's syndrome "Flip Flop" in one post it's

Hell in the 2000 election i would have voted for Bush.

and in the next he's saying,
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClintEastwood
i dunno, thats just what he told me. He votes democrat all the way, as do i.
He can't make up his mind. He flip flops like Kerry, see another sign of this below

Its pointless to argue anymore, Im done with this thread.

But he's still continuing on with the thread.

NoSlo5.0 Thanks for backing my original statement, You said it better, You most be college eddumacated.

[blown93feature]

A conservative democrat, is that the same as a liberal Republican?

That definantly puts a new meaning to oxymoron

[ClintEastwood]

you guys are fucking pricks....im buyin a camaro now.

[ITLRUN]

you guys are fucking pricks....im buyin a camaro now.

Well there it is a true Liberal site of things I'm sorry Clint I never sweared at you The most offensive thing I said to you is may God Bless us all and Thats not offensive in my book and with that attitude we all see how a new country ran by liberals would be. There would be no civilization or rationalization on any subject they all just blow off just like you did. But all I can say is the truth hurts dosn't it

[ClintEastwood]

wow im gonna kill myself in about 2 seconds....can we already? Id really hate to sell my stang with the fresh gotstang? running horse decals.

[BossHoss]

Can't we all just...get along?

[93ramvert]

[QUOTE=ClintEastwood]wow im gonna kill myself in about 2 seconds....can we already? Id really hate to sell my stang with the fresh gotstang? running horse decals.
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I'm leaving this one alone, J/K. Don't kill yourself or sell the Mustang because of a thread. Geez.
Why . It's "Healthy Discussion" that will keep the country moving forward, if everyone just backed out of debates. P/C at it's best someones feeling may get hurt so let's close it.

Just one more question tho, has every democrat been hoping that the War in Iraq would be a failure? It's seems that you all just love the fact that it didn't go smoothly.