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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim03svt
    forgive me if someone mentioned this already, but I'd like to see a box where if someone votes no they can say why.. To me, 'Fake/Insufficiant' is too general and there's probably lots of reasons why folks vote no. Could even make it mandatory that if one votes no they have to give a reason.

    Just a thought...
    That's a good idea, but I would be afraid that people would take offense sometimes. Like if one heavily modified car in say black versus a stock car in say yellow, I would vote for the modified car, but due to current events, there would be a lot of votes for the yellow car in spite.
    and the remarks box would just show a lot of deragatory comments.

    Just an example, not trying to ruffle feathers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim03svt
    forgive me if someone mentioned this already, but I'd like to see a box where if someone votes no they can say why.. To me, 'Fake/Insufficiant' is too general and there's probably lots of reasons why folks vote no. Could even make it mandatory that if one votes no they have to give a reason.

    Just a thought...

    I've mentioned this as well, I totally agree. There is someone out there that is voting no on just about every hunt claim, it's kinda weird if you ask me. Lets photoshop my stang in front of a Budweiser truck, when I can get more points for being near a fire truck. I would like to see reasons why as well. Make it so you can't vote Insuffiecient unless you give a reason why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CODY2003
    That's a good idea, but I would be afraid that people would take offense sometimes. Like if one heavily modified car in say black versus a stock car in say yellow, I would vote for the modified car, but due to current events, there would be a lot of votes for the yellow car in spite.
    and the remarks box would just show a lot of deragatory comments.

    Just an example, not trying to ruffle feathers.
    Cody, I think you're probably right... I assume people will act mature, but I always regret that I assumed that! lol

    Ill keep thinking though...there's a solution out there somewhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Saleen
    I like this idea VERY much.....Let there be a comment section that MUST be filled out upon voting for your choice. Let that be public.......Good idea Jim...

    Not Jim, Tom come on I want the attention the only one good idea I've had and someone else get's credit. WTF

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    My reason for suggesting it is because I've sat there on many occassion, wrestling with what to vote.. I think to myself, 'it's not real, but it's not fake either..' It might be as simple as too dark or too light, but it's not fake. Maybe make insufficiant seperate from fake, and have a reason box there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim03svt
    Cody, I think you're probably right... I assume people will act mature, but I always regret that I assumed that! lol

    Ill keep thinking though...there's a solution out there somewhere!
    Well, for the most part I think most everyone on this site has been fair to eachother giving credit where it is do and taking criticism when it is do, I've seen many examples of this in the forums, and usually the to opposing sides end up seeing eachothers points. As far as a Heavily modified car going up against a stock or nearly stock car well that's just anyway. I mean come on, talk about an easy win in most cases. As you can see I've gotten my ass handed to me in just about every face-off, I think I started two and the cars I chose were I would say fairly evenly matched. Notice I say the car was fairly evenly matched, not the member, I took on 1 that I think was fairly popular on the site and lost, All the other cars really had nothing in common with mine, most were newer cars and in most cases had a better chance of handing my 5.0 badges to me.
    I would like to know why my car wasn't picked over a car that was closely matched with mine, If it's just favoritism then so be it, it's happening anyway, personnally I would like to know if it was because someone is better known or more popular. For me I like the foxes better than some of the newer bodies so I'll tend to vote fox if the fox can stand up next to the challenging car, but if the newer stang is sweet than I'll go that way. I do however tend to vote for the challenged car if the challenger is way off base in calling out a car that he knows can't stand up to his. Grow a set and challenge somebody that is fairly even make it harder to earn the points. I know I can beat an escort any day it's no compettion I bet you feel good beating a 4 banger, but put me up against the car the has similair numbers to mine and you have a race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim03svt
    My reason for suggesting it is because I've sat there on many occassion, wrestling with what to vote.. I think to myself, 'it's not real, but it's not fake either..' It might be as simple as too dark or too light, but it's not fake. Maybe make insufficiant seperate from fake, and have a reason box there?

    This could work I think, to take it one more step, if it's voted insuffecient than the person submitting the claim should be able to resubmit to it with better pics. Unlike if it's voted fake you lose it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93ramvert
    This could work I think, to take it one more step, if it's voted insuffecient than the person submitting the claim should be able to resubmit to it with better pics. Unlike if it's voted fake you lose it.
    Good Idea!

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    The only problem I see with seperating "fake" and "insufficient" is that "real claim" will surely make 20 votes before either fake OR insufficient will. Even if you have 18 votes for fake, and 18 votes for insufficient, 20 votes for real will still take the points, despite what was a 36-20 vote against it being real. Combine that with the fact that most voters aren't even paying attention to the claim that's being made and you'll never get 20 votes for only fake or only insufficient.
    Now come on, who actually voted that a Mustang beside a Ford GT was the same as a Mustang beside a Lambo or Ferrari? While the Ford GT is still a very nice car, it's not a ferrari or a lamborghini by any stretch of the imagination. I might have voted for some other rare and expensive italian exotic, but the not the US made Ford GT. Seriously, if people are going to vote like that, we should just be able to modify the hunt claims any way we want.

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    I object your honor..speculation! ha ha

    Maybe you're right Ryan.. I'm still searching for a solution here.

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    "It's not my car on a bridge, but it is on jackstands, vote real!"[/QUOTE]

    Drop you got my vote as long as vote for me "Its not my car with the lambo doors open , but the trunk and the hood are"

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    Trunk and hood!? Good enough for me, no one will ever know that I voted "Real!"
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    On the Hunt claims.. we should show who voted real.. and if they voted fake, put why. The hunt is not an opinion based vote anyways.. I think it would work here.


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    I still think something has to be done with the face-offs, b/c to me it's not fun anymore.. it's just a popularity vote - which makes the title of the face off not true. 'Best Overall Car' feels like it should be called 'Most Popular Car' now. I just thought that people would really vote for the Best car in their opinion and not just b/c it's their friends.

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    I think in the face-offs, you should at least have to put down WHY you voted for the car you did. It can be anonymous, but give us some justification.
    If I get 30 votes for my car and 29 against in a face-off, I want to know what 30 people liked about my car, and 29 things that they like better about the other car.
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    My opinions for what they are worth lol:

    On the deal with the claims, a comment box would probably work, so you get a thumbs up there

    On the face offs, I think if you force people to have to put a comment and view both sites each and every time, people are going to get bored of view sites for one thing, and for another, people will start to get lazy and not vote at all because its just too much work. I say put an optional comment box that way when people vote, they can leave a little comment IF THEY WANT TO. And if it goes to public votes I wont be voting at all anymore. Voting is supposed to be private IMO.

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    Take for instance face -off 839 Blinkstang a 2002 GT just challenged me to a face-offI've got a 93 LX. I already know I'm going to lose because most people on this site tend to new age. So now I'll have another fucking, YES I said Fucking crossed out pony. it's f'n BS

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93ramvert
    Take for instance face -off 839 Blinkstang a 2002 GT just challenged me to a face-offI've got a 93 LX. I already know I'm going to lose because most people on this site tend to new age. So now I'll have another fucking, YES I said Fucking crossed out pony. it's f'n BS
    Prolly figured it was easy points since as you said, people tend to vote the new body styles... not saying older styles arent killer... but you are prolly right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93ramvert
    One other thing I just thought of what about J giving up maybe 2 points if the person voting actual goes to the website of the people in the face-off, or limit voting to having to go to each site before being able to vote and give more points for the extra effort. It might have a positive affect for the car that really deserves the win. O.K. I'm past my .02. I think maybe up to .10.
    great idea Tom. I like it.

    J I like the past week thing too. atleast they have to visit the site.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra94
    great idea Tom. I like it.

    J I like the past week thing too. atleast they have to visit the site.
    I visit everyones site when I can to sign guest books and such but if I have seen the car a million times and the website a million times and am required to look at both of them again... and voting gets to where it takes three times as long I wont be able to vote as much anymore. It just isnt needed imo. An optional comment box would due. If it gets to complicated and hard to vote for everyone people will stop voting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stang Gurl
    I visit everyones site when I can to sign guest books and such but if I have seen the car a million times and the website a million times and am required to look at both of them again... and voting gets to where it takes three times as long I wont be able to vote as much anymore. It just isnt needed imo. An optional comment box would due. If it gets to complicated and hard to vote for everyone people will stop voting.
    Maybe your right, But at least the tru votes would probably be out there, If I try to pimp out for votes or if the whole popularity think is going on that my make it a more even contest. If your voting for someone because he's more popular on the site well you can still do that but you have to take the timeto do it, on the same hand that person may be going up against someone fairly new, or in most of my cases does'nt even match up with the car that has challenged then you are forced at looking at the underdog, that ride may in fact be a better car. It just pisses me off when it's not an evenly matched face-off, Look at Cobra94 for instance, in every face-off that he's been in that he's started he has picked a car that closely matches his car, he's not taking the easy votes. Now let's do this do a face-off of his 94 Cobra and my 93 LX, he's got two things going for him 1 he's higher on the food chain, Why? Cobra, good all around dude. 2 just the fact he's got a Cobra he's already got the votes. But Dan wouldn't do that, not to me not to anyone just for the plain fact that he doesn't want the easy win.

    Imagine I lost my face off to a 2002 last night, if we're going to continue on this route J should just start giving points just for signing in or 1 point for every hour spent on the site. The face-off is'nt fun not because I've been in like 7 or 8 and only have 1 win but because I'm getting challenged by members who know that they'll get the win. It's not a fair race.

    When I'm in a mustang show they don't line me up to a 2002 GT, hell they won't even put me near a 93 Cobra. Why? well it's obvious why, HEY I've got an Idea maybe I'll take on BlackAcid in a face-off called "Best Mustang".

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    AHHHHHHHHHH, The joy of reading this Thread. This is why I retired my car way back when......You are all finally seeing the light. The problem is, there is really no right way to deal with this problem. The Face-offs are GREAT and I love voting on them, but it is more of a popularity contest or a Gang up on the Little car scenario. I personally give every face-off a fair shot. I check the websites, just to make sure that someone hasn't added any modifications or updated pics. Some people are adding mods all of the time, so you may need to check out their site.

    But, here is what I agree with.....I don't think that anyone should be forced to look at anyones site, just to vote, but I do agree with having an anonymous comment box, with just a quick reason as to why you voted. It makes sense and why not let people really know what you think of their car. I know we all have friends on this site, but lets keep it real. Onebad95 knows that if I find a better car than his on this site, I am going to vote for it. Damn, I had a hard time deciding between his and sweetstang when they went at it.

    I would be bumbed if we ever lost the Face-offs, so PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, lets keep it real. Lets enjoy what we have........

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    Quote Originally Posted by 04Saleen
    AHHHHHHHHHH, The joy of reading this Thread. This is why I retired my car way back when......You are all finally seeing the light. The problem is, there is really no right way to deal with this problem. The Face-offs are GREAT and I love voting on them, but it is more of a popularity contest or a Gang up on the Little car scenario. I personally give every face-off a fair shot. I check the websites, just to make sure that someone hasn't added any modifications or updated pics. Some people are adding mods all of the time, so you may need to check out their site.



    I would be bumbed if we ever lost the Face-offs, so PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, lets keep it real. Lets enjoy what we have........



    Maybe it should go into classes like in the Car Shows, Maybe we can't break it down as far as in a real mustang show but at least we may be able to go by body style, I mean I know I would get my ass handed to me by Blown93feature, it's still not a fair face-off, but I'd feel better at least it's the same body style. I wouldn't consider myself the little guy but like I said you put up a newer car against an older car, and I think you'll have the newer car pull out the win almost every time, yes there's exceptions, but not often. The face-offs have been a thorn since the start, I'm not saying we should get rid of them but they need to be revamped.

    I've got a sports scenario, I coach a soccer team (10 year old Boys), There are divisions in soccer as some of you may know, Div.3 being a development team, and Div.1 being more of a premier team. Now some of the boys I have a legitimate Div.2 players, like 2 maybe 3. The rest well I can't even consider them Div.3, I mean some of these boys are borderline retarded when it comes to coordination nevermind sports (I use retarded not as a slam I do have a niece with MD, and mental retardation) I don't want to sound harsh on the handicapped. Now the Oxford Youth Soccer Association has put my team in a Div. 2 class. Some of these teams I'm playing are borderline Div. 1 teams. My boys can't even get the ball into the opponents side. There is no comparasion it's not fair and it's frustrating.

    I know some of you are probably saying no it's just the stupid coach, stupid Ramvert . But I also coach a 12 year old girls team (Yes I'm a sucker for Punishment) and they play very well.

    J J J J J J PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, Think about classes maybe!!!!! I hate seeing all those crossed out ponies when I know I did'nt really have a chance with most of them to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT
    The only problem I see with seperating "fake" and "insufficient" is that "real claim" will surely make 20 votes before either fake OR insufficient will. Even if you have 18 votes for fake, and 18 votes for insufficient, 20 votes for real will still take the points, despite what was a 36-20 vote against it being real. Combine that with the fact that most voters aren't even paying attention to the claim that's being made and you'll never get 20 votes for only fake or only insufficient.
    Now come on, who actually voted that a Mustang beside a Ford GT was the same as a Mustang beside a Lambo or Ferrari? While the Ford GT is still a very nice car, it's not a ferrari or a lamborghini by any stretch of the imagination. I might have voted for some other rare and expensive italian exotic, but the not the US made Ford GT. Seriously, if people are going to vote like that, we should just be able to modify the hunt claims any way we want.

    "It's not my car on a bridge, but it is on jackstands, vote real!"
    I think that the lambo or Ferarri claim was made for was because they are rare cars in most areas. The person who submitted that claim found himself in an even rarer oppurtunity to photograph his car with a Ford GT. his comment was something along the lines of not a lambo or ferarri, but better. I had to agree. I would Vote real if someone had there car next to a Saleen S7 as well because they are all rare, exotic, highperformance cars. I dont think that the original intention of the claim was to find an rare Italian car and probably should have been titled, "you car next to a $100,000 exotic sports car" or something along those lines. The catagory should be broadened to allow for the more exotics to be photographed with your car, or be open to a loose interpratation.

    edit: im not saying to allow a loose interpretation on all catagories but that one should be an exception
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    I agree that the face-offs tend to be a popularity contest.

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