Ok, so first of all i would like to say that what is about to be addressed in this thread in no way reflects bitterness at the site or any other GS members. I just get tired of hearing people gripe about the original faceoffs and i wanted to put something out there. :ranting: THEY ARE BASICALLY POPULARITY CONTESTS PEOPLE!!! :smack: Now i know that there are some people including myself that go into the faceoffs and vote according to the actual merit of each car, and it also seems that there are people that just look at the avatar and vote for the car that looks coolest (which in some faceoffs is actualy what you are supposed to do i.e. best exterior). However, when i see the results of some of the faceoffs, there seems to be a pattern of members winning faceoffs that never should have even been close had all the mods and extra work been considered. Again I'm not complaining, i have turned my faceoffs off, and was actually pretty happy with the record that i racked up on there. If I was really concerned about getting a fair shake in a faceoff I would definitely recommend to people who feel that they are getting treated unfairly that they stay in the judged faceoffs, as the judges seem to be doin a great job keeping the playing field level (NICE WORK LADIES AND GENTELMEN :devil: ). Just wanted to throw that out there so that everyone knows what to expect when they dial up a faceoff. NOT HATIN ON ANYONE SO PLEASE NO HATE MAIL BACK, JUST MY .02 :beerchug: MACH ON! :guitarist