* NEW FEATURE IS LIVE *: Judged Face-Offs

Due to the over whelming 'drama' started from our regular faceoffs. It seems that alot of people are not even participating in them. A few ideas have been pushed around and we will be developing a new type of face-off system. The old system will still be around but this new face-off system will be for those who feel that the regular face-offs arent giving them enough justice.

The new system will have a panel of judges who will vote on each face-off created. The panel will take into consideration the title of the face-off ie. 'Best paint job' and vote on the car they feel owns up to the title of the face-off the best, as well as filling out a comments section explaining their choice.


A template will be setup for the judges so they can vote accordingly on each 'title/class'.

There will be no waiting 24-48 hours for votes to come in. The panel of judges will be notified when a new face-off is created and will vote appropriately within that day (hopefully). The face-offs will be voted on according to their submission date, so its a first come first serve system.

This will eliminate the buddy system. There will be an odd number of judges to prevent ties. The panel can be rotated based on some 'factor', or we can have the same judges throughout a year,month,week.

A new 'icon' will be made to show a win or loss within this new system.

So think of this as:
The old system - Peer Review
The new system - Judged Review

Please let the discussion begin, think of any problems that might develop within the new system.

[This thread is subject to change for updates]

yay! thats all i have to say lol :gso:

i think that would be better!

J I think that is a good idea

I like the idea...see some possible problems tho. if the participants in the face-off know who the judges are I think it will still cause the same drama as the regular face-offs..."that person doesnt like me so they voted for the other person" or "they are friends so he/she voted for there friend" same old crap...how will the judges be chosen?? I personally think the judges should not be ppl in the top ten or twenty and that would exclude me from being a judge also...other than that I think it would be fun..more like a real competition. How about those side bets tho? I really like that idea :dance: :dance:

forgot to ask...will the challenges be made the same way?? If I challenge you then you have to accept or decline??

The panel of judges will be a mix of people... A group of people that I feel will represent 'Mustang Love' and also are mature enough to vote accordingly, and not on friendships.

The side bets can be written into this system, and it makes much sense to have side bets on something like this because you have no control over the outcome of the face-offs. and No, the judges will not be allowed to make side bets. lol

Sounds like a pretty good system. Are the judges going to be the same people every time or are they gonna switch up? I think if you chose judges every couple of months it would keep things interesting and fair, and have the judges be owners of different generation Stangs.

Ok J as we talked about, we need to make sure that everyone is aware of the reguirements before they enter the contest so there is no probs after the fact. Remember if you don't put your best foot foward (pics lots of them) then your ride can't possibly be fairly judged so it's up tp you.

it shouldn't matter what the engine show what makes it go
Read these ideas and I will have more to follow and comment on all because this is how we will make it all happen.
Remember, when this thing flys it's up to you to take photo's and proof them over before submiting to your site this way here it's YOU who had the last say as to what the judges see.

Yes so there is no confusion, this is a face-off... if you are challenging someone for best paint, and they dont have enough pics to show off their paint, they will be judged based on the quality of pics they have.

Is this going to be a face-off chosen by the particpants or chosen by someone else??? I am a little confused after reading the post that I received in my e-mail.....if someone else is choosing the cars in the face-off that is the same as the UFO right??? If I choose to challenge someone "best paint" I have to have custom paint to do that?? Are there going to be classes assigned?? Are we going to have to qualify?? Sorry for alll the questions but I am not understanding this.....

I agree, I'm confused about this face off now. Now its sounds alot more complicated on how it happens, what your getting judged on, who your against, classes of Stangs. I'll just attend a local carshow, it would be easier.

blown93's post was a little confusing, thats why he edited it... Its just like the current face-offs but there will be a panel of judges who decide the outcome. Thats really the only difference.

It sounds Good to me but I never had a problem with Face-Offs anyway!!! I like doing them for the Fun of it!!!

Yes, these new face-offs will be for the more 'Serious Competitors'. :)

this is a great plan. for the pro facer offer! lol

maybe a panel of 20 judges and a required 11 votes or something like that so whatever judjes are available will vote. is that clear?

Very nice idea. The way it's going to work sounds pretty solid. I really like the idea of side bets, which makes is even more interesting. Only thing is how will you be notified if you're selected as a judge? and I know there are some like 4000 members of GS but not all are active. Everytime I log on there are usually the same people on. Which makes me wonder if we have enough "active" members to rotate judges, say weekly.

Thats why I was thinking more of a 3 month thing

I think its a great idea :)

will create more interest in the board as well as the site overall and attract more people or bring back the people that left because of that problem...

Your a busy man J but we all love ya for it....hows the blower running by the way and when they hell are you getting dyno numbers ya bastard ;)

yea ya bastard!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

J, suggest you be the only one who knows who the judges are (that should help them be more impartial). Like you said, the judges should be rotated every few months!

I think it is a good idea. That would eliminate most of the complaining. You will still have the few that does but atleast when you win one you will know why or lose i guess. Good thinking!!

might also be an idea to think of people who have left the site because of the faceoffs and see if we can get them back..send them an email or a phone call if you know them,just a thought...........

I like it. I can't wait for the new face-offs. I have fun doing the face-offs.

Awesome! :beerchug:

Sounds like a fun new feature!! Can't wait to see the face-offs!! will there be a certain amount of points to the winner?

i think there should be a rule; loosers who bitch are perma ban from gs!! that would solve some isues. :loser: :nutkick:

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Yes, these new face-offs will be for the more 'Serious Competitors'. :)

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great idea j :thumpupn: i will certainly get involved again in the face -offs if this works out !

I'm all for this new set-up

:beerchug: sounds like a killer plan to me. will we have any say so if we are challenged?

Just one question.... since I wouldn't concider any of my Mustangs as a "serious competitor", nor am I inclined to be one, can we opt out of this new face off gig without opting out of all challenges?

All my rides are daily drivers/track cars - nothing built strictly for show. What I'm getting to is like say a guy/gal with a beatup tub of a stang that has Fooze rims challenges one of my cars for best rims. Obviously I would loose, even though I have nice rims... and an overall much better ride. I'm just not too keen on a format that allows a lesser car to concentrate on one aspect of his ride, challenge me without having the opportunity to decline, and then win that face off based souly on that one aspect.

Most every ride here has certain aspects of their car that needs improvement - and to institute a new format that allows peeps to pick it apart by challenging it's weakest attibute seems a little short sighted.

sounds like a great addition to the site!

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Originally Posted by SAVGE 89

I'm just not too keen on a format that allows a lesser car to concentrate on one aspect of his ride, challenge me without having the opportunity to decline, and then win that face off based souly on that one aspect.

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I have never participated in the current faceoffs ( too new ) but are you stating that with the current system, I can't decline a faceoff I know I'd lose?

If declinations are possible, then just decline any faceoffs that wouldn't be a close match. Also, if it's a wheel faceoff, then the results shouldn't have anything to do with the remainder of the ride. This way even mostly stock rides can get involved and have a chance to win a specific faceoff against a superior overall ride.

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Originally Posted by fordfanboi

I have never participated in the current faceoffs ( too new ) but are you stating that with the current system, I can't decline a faceoff I know I'd lose?

If declinations are possible, then just decline any faceoffs that wouldn't be a close match. Also, if it's a wheel faceoff, then the results shouldn't have anything to do with the remainder of the ride. This way even mostly stock rides can get involved and have a chance to win a specific faceoff against a superior overall ride.

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you can decline a face-off if the person challenging you is ranked higher than you but if someone with a lower rank challenges you it will start automaticaly...if you do not want to participate then you need to go into your profile and turn off the option to do face-offs...the current face-offs you can title it anything that you want...best overall, blue VS white etc...I don't think the new face-offs will be the same,not sure if we will be able to decline those. Doesn't matter to me I will do any. My theory all alone has been to expose my car as much as possible to get rankings and it has worked...almost half the site had ranked my car. I have some under 5 but a rank is a rank :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by fordfanboi

if it's a wheel faceoff, then the results shouldn't have anything to do with the remainder of the ride. This way even mostly stock rides can get involved and have a chance to win a specific faceoff against a superior overall ride.

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And you think this is a good thing? Loosing to a stock car simply due to a single aspect of the ride? No.... I'll just turn the option off to accept any challenges. I don't mind loosing to a car that is superior... but I do mind this new format allows wins due to singularity.

Then again... maybe I should just go out and buy a $500 beater, put some trick rims on, and win some face offs. LOL

my 2 cent worth... ya win some , ya lose some. who really gives a shit. its just fun to play. if your trippin on whose really better you lost already.

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Originally Posted by sicboy

my 2 cent worth... ya win some , ya lose some. who really gives a shit. its just fun to play. if your trippin on whose really better you lost already.

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Yeah - I feel ya bro. It's been fun to play under the previous rules, no doubt about that. But despite your allusion to the contrary, the new faceoffs are for the "serious competitors"... just like J said. So obviously this is being driven by all those peeps who are "trippin on whose really better". Being that I am not one of those... I have chozen not to compete against those who are "trippin".

BTW: Nice whip you got there :thumpupn:

i think i may play it the new way if it comes along. i have faith that the pannel will make the best ___________ win. it should still be fun. serious fun! kind a like racing a superbike. you worry alot till the green flag flies and then its serious fun. when its over theres always someone bitchin but for me i go with what ever happens and use the experiance to make a new plan for susccess.
i used to be able to spell before the big crash in turn 1. lol

I gotta give credit to J for at least trying something different. As I said a long time ago, the only way to eliminate the buddy system is to go with a panel of qualified judges. Him taking that and adding the judging notes is a great addition, and most will learn from the experience. That's a win win in my book. But given my concerns with the "sigularity" issue - I'm just going to sit back and see how this all pans out... give it a month or three and then see if what I think will happen, does.