Mod Motors...

Agreed, I had a five oh & enjoyed workin on it. It was ALOT easier. The modulars you have to mark timing chains to take everything apart. I am not skilled enough to work on these motors yet. That is why I am going to purchase a 4.9 liter stroker from chp. Throw a aftercooled vortech system on, running 6 psi around the street. 15-20 psi at the track w/a pulley change. Bring my laptop & load my custom tune & program into my predator. That way you have the best of both worlds. For a half an hour time.

Then I will add my ported heads & cams when I put in the new block & then I'll be ready to rock & roll. :woohoo: :dance:

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

Then I will add my ported heads & cams when I put in the new block & then I'll be ready to rock & roll. :woohoo: :dance:

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yet...you'll still see the tail lights of my car with a modest 100 shot:rofl:

I'm on the fence, I like pushrod power, but I also like new edge cars. If I HAD to pick between a Fox with a 5.0 or an 04 with a 4.6, I'm afraid I'm more loyal to the outward appearance than the drivetrain.

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Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0

I'm on the fence, I like pushrod power, but I also like new edge cars. If I HAD to pick between a Fox with a 5.0 or an 04 with a 4.6, I'm afraid I'm more loyal to the outward appearance than the drivetrain.

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nothing wrong with that...i'd love to have an 04 32valve.

i just have unconditional love for my car...with all the blood n sweat that went into it...it being my first car, being the first car i tore up and put back together, my parents drove it off the lot in 12/92, sunday cruises with my pops.

but that doesnt take away from my argument pushrod>modular :thumpupn:

i mean, cmon now...you have a new edge with pushrod power, and you cant build a modular that puts out what your 347 does in terms of hp/tq all-motor on a realistic budget

You are correct. I don't argue the finer points of "no replacement for displacement"

I know exactly what it means to have a deep emotional attachment to a car. It's obvious that not everyone around here does...

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Originally Posted by thumpin347

nothing wrong with that...i'd love to have an 04 32valve.

i just have unconditional love for my car...with all the blood n sweat that went into it...it being my first car, being the first car i tore up and put back together, my parents drove it off the lot in 12/92, sunday cruises with my pops.

but that doesnt take away from my argument pushrod>modular :thumpupn:

i mean, cmon now...you have a new edge with pushrod power, and you cant build a modular that puts out what your 347 does in terms of hp/tq all-motor on a realistic budget

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You're comparing apples to oranges though. It's simply not fair to compare a 347ci pushrod to a 281ci cammer. Which do you expect to make more power? Try comparing a 289ci small block Ford to a 4.6L DOHC for a more balanced comparison.

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Originally Posted by thumpin347

yet...you'll still see the tail lights of my car with a modest 100 shot:rofl:

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I WILL have over 600 rwhp @ 20 mpg (highway). Hey I can get some nitrous too. :rofl: I WILL be mid 10's.

Look at project icebox! 11.2 with 8psi. Next they are going to up the boost to conservative 15 psi & throw in a 4.9 liter short block. Low 10's maybe 9's with 17 psi. All at 15-20mpg. A 9 second gas saver wow. :j:

Again, all through power adders. I get 24mpg on the highway right now and 18 around town. What's your point?

Here's our point, who the hell cares about high HP numbers when you can't make as much torque as a straight six? You want big low rpm torque numbers from 4.6? You have to use a positive diplacement style supercharger. Two schools of thought here, some like to build power the old fashioned way, bigger cubes and better breathing. The other side is content to huff and puff their way to respectable times through stock equipment. Eventually, I'll huff and puff too, but building 400hp the old fashioned way was my original intention. I had no idea it wouldn't be enough power...

Oh, BTW, comments speculating on the future of your ride don't carry any weight. 600rwhp is your goal, now get going...be sure you can still pass CA emissions...

I get it done illegally now. My heads & cams are waiting in my closet. I will have 350rwhp before the blower & I still have the longtubes to put on but my car is too low for now. Prolly close to 370 for a little 4.6. I am hoping for 400 when I install my stroker block & add my heads, cams, & headers. :nya:

Have you got your 347 dynoed yet or taken it to the track? Right now I am putting my mustang on a diet. It weighs a little over 3300 lbs.

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

I WILL have over 600 rwhp @ 20 mpg (highway). Hey I can get some nitrous too. :rofl: I WILL be mid 10's.

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you will be 10s my ass...learn a bit about drag racing...first off, your tranny will drop from the bottom of your car...your axle wont stand 3 passes on full slicks, and lastly, how are you going to get all that power to the ground??

remember, anyone can make power...its getting the power to the ground. getting a car into 11s isnt a simple task but it isnt hard...its getting it in the sub 11 second zone that is hard. you sound like nothing but a bench racer.

my friend has an all motor 306 puts out nothing more than 380 whp, but runs 10s. hows that? its all suspension that gets the car going down the track straight and sticking on a 5.5k launch.

guarantee you cant break 11.7 with your car even with all that precious work you are doing to it...and 11.7 is me being very generous

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Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT

You're comparing apples to oranges though. It's simply not fair to compare a 347ci pushrod to a 281ci cammer. Which do you expect to make more power? Try comparing a 289ci small block Ford to a 4.6L DOHC for a more balanced comparison.

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there are plenty 1st gen 289's out there that do it all motor, on an affordable budget putting out 375+rwhp

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

I get it done illegally now. My heads & cams are waiting in my closet. I will have 350rwhp before the blower & I still have the longtubes to put on but my car is too low for now. Prolly close to 370 for a little 4.6. I am hoping for 400 when I install my stroker block & add my heads, cams, & headers. :nya:

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Let me get this straight, you are going to make 370 rwhp before you put on the blower, then you add the blower and go for 600 rwhp? What kind of compression do you plan on running? A great flowing head/cam/intake setup wont make 370 rwhp with 8.5:1 compression on a mod motor. And there's now way that your stock internals will support 600rwhp. What am I missing here?

I think he's planning a forged stroker shortblock as a part of the build. He's 25, just getting into the game, reality will reveal itself soon enough...

Well, I hope it doesn't take me that long. I'm just 22.

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Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT

Well, I hope it doesn't take me that long. I'm just 22.

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i think ur on the right track, i'm 21 myself and i find myself to be educated in the game.

i just laugh my ass off at some of the claims i read on boards, and i LOVE pointing out the facts, and to see them throw me some other BS...i love it...seems like everyone has a monster between the shock towers of their engine bay, yet i have a HARD time finding them on the streets...like i always say

internet racers= :loser:

You guys are gay. I just wish you lived closer. & thumper how many grudge matches have you won? Lets see some timeslips you fuckin ninny!

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Originally Posted by thumpin347

you will be 10s my ass...learn a bit about drag racing...first off, your tranny will drop from the bottom of your car...your axle wont stand 3 passes on full slicks, and lastly, how are you going to get all that power to the ground??

remember, anyone can make power...its getting the power to the ground. getting a car into 11s isnt a simple task but it isnt hard...its getting it in the sub 11 second zone that is hard. you sound like nothing but a bench racer.

my friend has an all motor 306 puts out nothing more than 380 whp, but runs 10s. hows that? its all suspension that gets the car going down the track straight and sticking on a 5.5k launch.

guarantee you cant break 11.7 with your car even with all that precious work you are doing to it...and 11.7 is me being very generous

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I am already in the 12's, you dont think I can gain a second with a blower? :loser:
I just hate the fact that you come in here sayin that mod motors suck. Nothing of coarse beats cubic inches. I can take a 5.4 navigator motor & stroked it to a 6.0 then maybe I would be in the same category as you far as cubic inches. I am talkin about a little 4.6. The most I can get is 310 cubes. I do agree that pushrod are easier to work on, but modulars are more effecient.

see...thats the difference...you think you can gain a second simply with a blower...12s are easy to hit, anyone can hit 12s. getting into the low 11s-10s is hard work, or 10s as you've claimed...it comes down to suspension geometry, and dialing in your suspension set up...meaning, tubular k-member up front, coilovers up front, a form of a drag linked rear, posi, 31 spline axles, and the list goes on and on, to be consistent in the 11s.

the horsepower game is fun, but the drag game comes down to more than just horsepower, plain and simple.

as far as my drag racing...i'm not a racer, nor do i claim to be. can i build a car to race? sure...can i be competitive in sanctioned events...absolutely...do i have the money?? HELLS NO! i'd rather think of combos, and share the info with my friends who have the money to race in sanctioned events, and until i have money to build a car, i dont claim any times out of my car. its been in the 12s, so what? everyone and their mother is in the 12s, so it isnt much of a feat to me.

cmon man...we're all cool guys, no need to call us assholes...we are just discussing cars here. i like working on mod motors, and the thread was in a joking manner, until some guys felt their vaginas aching and called me out on being wrong. i know you can make power out of those cars, but have you seen the price for cams? or what a bullitt conversion costs to replace your plastic intake manifold? at those prices, the only person to build a respectable motor will have to be mr money bags, thats all i was saying originally.

anyway, no beef man...you're my buddy.

oh, and a navi motor in a GT wont do you squat. thats why you dont see many running around. too much work involved, like swapping k-members and front end suspension components, hacking at the shock towers, custom headers, and theres no parts to buy for a 5.4, so in the end its a pointless swap, and thats a fact.

anyway, good luck on your car man...sounds like you have big plans for it, and keep us posted on the progress of the car :thumpupn:

How is going from a 12.92 to a "10 second car" only one second apart? Last I checked, you need to drop 2 whole seconds. Its like thumpin 347 said, that takes a lot more than just power. You're going to have to start fine-tuning your suspension just to get into the 11's.

:nya: Whell sence were allin a pissing mach at midwest right now i have a big chife motor with a 110 mm turbo yes that is the biggest in the us right now so ha to you all if you have turbo ? ast me i eill be mor then happy to help

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Originally Posted by JPRCobra

:nya: Whell sence were allin a pissing mach at midwest right now i have a big chife motor with a 110 mm turbo yes that is the biggest in the us right now so ha to you all if you have turbo ? ast me i eill be mor then happy to help

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theres no pissing match going on here...just straightening out fact from myth...thats all

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Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT

How is going from a 12.92 to a "10 second car" only one second apart? Last I checked, you need to drop 2 whole seconds. Its like thumpin 347 said, that takes a lot more than just power. You're going to have to start fine-tuning your suspension just to get into the 11's.

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It is not going to be strictly a drag car. I love road racing more. I already have my suspension done from maximum motorsports. It hooks. If i din't live in Cali I would have already have put on longtubes/cams. Ya thumper I know they are expensive because you need two of them. Dohc 4. I know my car is a biatch, I have to raise my motor to put headers on. On five oh's you dont have to do that. Shit you can put a cam in a five oh with the block still in the car. I am just waiting to find someone to pass me so I can put on my longtubes & cams, then get some ported heads. My goal is to be in the 11's n/a than once I accomplished that, then I want to throw my 4.9 stroker & blower combo in there & hope for the best. But it will still handle great. :beerchug:

ummm...a road race suspension is definately not good for drag racing...its actually worse than a stock suspension setup for the strip

What I have done to my suspension is bilsteins, (sports) Maximum caster cambers, maximum super subs, and sportline springs. It seriously handles great. So you think I shouldn't add the panhard bar or tourqe arm, if I want to drag it. So you think I might as well get a five oh coupe & add everything drag in it like drag springs/shocks, unstead of adding those parts? I like coupes that's what my buddies have that work at maximum. Theirs weigh 2900 lbs. I just think mine would be better for handling since it is wider.

SoCal is like a disease that infects the brain.

And you have beautiful weather & a nice ocean.

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

What I have done to my suspension is bilsteins, (sports) Maximum caster cambers, maximum super subs, and sportline springs. It seriously handles great. So you think I shouldn't add the panhard bar or tourqe arm, if I want to drag it. So you think I might as well get a five oh coupe & add everything drag in it like drag springs/shocks, unstead of adding those parts? I like coupes that's what my buddies have that work at maximum. Theirs weigh 2900 lbs. I just think mine would be better for handling since it is wider.

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i never said you should buy a 5 oh coupe...JEEZ, stop thinking i'm attacking you all the time...i'm simply pointing out facts...you do what you want with your car...i'm done with giving you any sort of advice...you spend your money the way you want to and put the power to the ground the way you want to...

lol I don't think you are attacking me. I just want the best of both worlds & I guess I can't, since I want a torque arm & panhard bar. I guess I will get a coupe, a project coupe. 2900 lbs is pretty light. What do you think about the factory five cobras? Write down your responses, I want to know. I have to go now b/c I am off work. I will read your responses on Monday, but have a good weekend & enjoy the best superbowl of all time. :beerchug:

:nya: one of the better kits out there other then a shelby kit ther nice and if your not all hard core race you will relly like on the other hand stayy the Hell Away from Street Beast the where under a difrent name and went und 4 poor quality kits when we almost turn them away any more the tat bug of a pain in the ass

the factory five kit is sweet. if you have the money, time, and know how, you'll have alot of fun building one. i'd suggest you find a fox roller with all the running gear...i.e. spindles, brakes, etc. you can throw in a steeda 4 or 5 link out back, and build a decent stroker and drop it in, with a t-56...you wont need alot of power in one to go fast..400hp will get you high 11s in something that light

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Originally Posted by JPRCobra

:nya: one of the better kits out there other then a shelby kit ther nice and if your not all hard core race you will relly like on the other hand stayy the Hell Away from Street Beast the where under a difrent name and went und 4 poor quality kits when we almost turn them away any more the tat bug of a pain in the ass

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speak english man

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

lol I don't think you are attacking me. I just want the best of both worlds & I guess I can't, since I want a torque arm & panhard bar. I guess I will get a coupe, a project coupe. 2900 lbs is pretty light. What do you think about the factory five cobras? Write down your responses, I want to know. I have to go now b/c I am off work. I will read your responses on Monday, but have a good weekend & enjoy the best superbowl of all time. :beerchug:

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I had the MM panhard on my 95, definitely go for that. The torque arm too. It will greatly improve traction, I'll eventually go back to that setup so long as I can retain tailpipes. I think MM has reworked their panhard to support that. If not I'll go with the new Steeda 5 link rear.

As far as 11's go...I'd settle for mid to low 12's on your motor with that suspension setup. What you'll eventually end up doing is building a 450rwhp car than can still turn 11's with a 2.2 to 2.4 sec 60ft time. You'll just have to have mad power to make up for the crappy launches. Your trap speeds will be likely around 126mph. I think you're on the right path with your suspension so far, just don't expect it launch like car with 90/10's and skinnies. I much prefer a corner carving experience to a hard launch.

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Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0

I had the MM panhard on my 95, definitely go for that. The torque arm too. It will greatly improve traction, I'll eventually go back to that setup so long as I can retain tailpipes. I think MM has reworked their panhard to support that. If not I'll go with the new Steeda 5 link rear.

As far as 11's go...I'd settle for mid to low 12's on your motor with that suspension setup. What you'll eventually end up doing is building a 450rwhp car than can still turn 11's with a 2.2 to 2.4 sec 60ft time. You'll just have to have mad power to make up for the crappy launches. Your trap speeds will be likely around 126mph. I think you're on the right path with your suspension so far, just don't expect it launch like car with 90/10's and skinnies. I much prefer a corner carving experience to a hard launch.

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Thanks for the info! I won $450 for the superbowl. I am stoked. :woohoo:

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Originally Posted by thumpin347

speak english man

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That was the first thing I read when I got in this morning. It gave me a headache.

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Originally Posted by Js281GT

Thanks for the info! I won $450 for the superbowl. I am stoked. :woohoo:

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There's the torque arm!

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Originally Posted by thumpin347

if thats the case...why is it that you cant even break the 400 mark with forced induction??

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safe tune and i am still only 3rwhp away from 400. i would like to work ona 5.0 tho, seems easy.

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Originally Posted by Junior2561

safe tune and i am still only 3rwhp away from 400. i would like to work ona 5.0 tho, seems easy.

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i wouldnt say its easy...depends which route you want to go. i prefer building motors, and motor combinations whereas the mod motor guys can only resort to forced induction because of lack of aftermarket goods. theres alot of formulas for pushrod 302s...so in that sense, its easy...to build a good motor, on the other hand isnt that easy...and it also depends who does your work...

if you write checks, then of course its easy, just pick your parts and drop the car off...i like to do all of my own work, so its far from easy