Very nice...
To each his own. I'll go on record as saying I can't really tell the difference between them in stock form with aftermarket exhaust installed. Never really tried to either I guess.
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Very nice...
To each his own. I'll go on record as saying I can't really tell the difference between them in stock form with aftermarket exhaust installed. Never really tried to either I guess.
the 5.0's always to me sound like they have a much deeper tone yet rhaspier also. A friend of mine has a 5.0 with bbk shorties, mac O/R h pipe and flows.
His wife has a 96 GT with the identical exhaust (well she has my bassani X pipe now) but when she had the mac pipe there was a HUGE difference in tone. Matt's 5.0 was much deeper and Jeanne's had that pinging tone and no rhasp that the 5.0 had.
Either way, they both sound better than a chevy :D
Agreed, I hate how the fox's sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
My car sucks. :D
In keeping with the theme of the thread...Yes, yes it does! :thumpupn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT
All that boost for a measly 400hp...tsk, tsk ;)
I've got plenty of excuses...Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
A. the A/F is running really rich (peaks at 10.8:1)
B. I still have the stock upper plenum and a 70mm throttle body, which greatly restricts the airflow into the engine.
C. 8.5:1 compression. The same setup on stock compression would make much closer to 450 at the tires. However, the internals would never survive.
Either way, those are all just lame excuses. I'm hoping to have them all cleared up within the next 3-4 weeks. I figure with an Accufab Plenum/Accufab 75mm TB, and a good aggressive tune (~11.8:1 A/F) on the ACCEL gen VII DFI, the car should make at least 460 hp and 495 tq to the tires at 13psi.
Maybe I can bump the car up to 16-18 psi just to see 500 rwhp for a dyno vid ;)
umm, the reason the mod motor sounded like there was more ping in the exhaust note is because of the x-pipe. anyway, pushrod>mod motorQuote:
Originally Posted by Js281GT
Ryan, I thought you had a fox lake enigne? Did you keep the factory internals??
I junked the whole stock engine. The foxlake engine I got is the entire longblock setup: block, cobra crank, forged H-beam rods, forged 8.5 CR pistons, stage 2 P&P heads, modmax cams, oversized ferrea valves, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
then why not crank the boost up more. 500 rwhp sould be streetable with a decent tune. Hell, dave's 02 GT has over 750 with the 2.2L blowzilla and he drives it every day. Those internals are good to 1000 hp. I say get your money's worth outta that! :D
Sweet, to build a 302 based stroker to go to 1000hp would be disasterous without buying a $2500 block to stuff all the parts in. I didn't know 2v blocks were that strong. Maybe I need to start looking a little harder.
you wouldnt be able to squeeze 1000hp out of a 4.6 block either...blocks progressively have become weaker and weaker over the years...hence why people buy older blocks because they are made of a more pure iron whereas nowadays, the iron is actually diluted with other metals to reduce material costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
Mod > Rod
if thats the case...why is it that you cant even break the 400 mark with forced induction??
To each their own, pushrods for the mechanically inclined gearheads, modular power for those who don't know how to pull a valve cover and replace valve stem seals. They can bolt on a power adder and I'll keep on building power the "old fashioned" way.
In the modular owners defense, what chioce do they really have? You want anything newer than a 95 and you're stuck with the anemic 4.6L. Factory heads being the best and only offerings so far, maybe a port job and a bullit intake for "aftermarket" power. I'd wimp out and supercharge it too, there's no real alternative.
Agreed, I had a five oh & enjoyed workin on it. It was ALOT easier. The modulars you have to mark timing chains to take everything apart. I am not skilled enough to work on these motors yet. That is why I am going to purchase a 4.9 liter stroker from chp. Throw a aftercooled vortech system on, running 6 psi around the street. 15-20 psi at the track w/a pulley change. Bring my laptop & load my custom tune & program into my predator. That way you have the best of both worlds. For a half an hour time.
Then I will add my ported heads & cams when I put in the new block & then I'll be ready to rock & roll. :woohoo: :dance:
yet...you'll still see the tail lights of my car with a modest 100 shot:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Js281GT
I'm on the fence, I like pushrod power, but I also like new edge cars. If I HAD to pick between a Fox with a 5.0 or an 04 with a 4.6, I'm afraid I'm more loyal to the outward appearance than the drivetrain.
nothing wrong with that...i'd love to have an 04 32valve.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
i just have unconditional love for my car...with all the blood n sweat that went into it...it being my first car, being the first car i tore up and put back together, my parents drove it off the lot in 12/92, sunday cruises with my pops.
but that doesnt take away from my argument pushrod>modular :thumpupn:
i mean, cmon now...you have a new edge with pushrod power, and you cant build a modular that puts out what your 347 does in terms of hp/tq all-motor on a realistic budget
You are correct. I don't argue the finer points of "no replacement for displacement"
I know exactly what it means to have a deep emotional attachment to a car. It's obvious that not everyone around here does...
You're comparing apples to oranges though. It's simply not fair to compare a 347ci pushrod to a 281ci cammer. Which do you expect to make more power? Try comparing a 289ci small block Ford to a 4.6L DOHC for a more balanced comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumpin347
I WILL have over 600 rwhp @ 20 mpg (highway). Hey I can get some nitrous too. :rofl: I WILL be mid 10's.Quote:
Originally Posted by thumpin347
Look at project icebox! 11.2 with 8psi. Next they are going to up the boost to conservative 15 psi & throw in a 4.9 liter short block. Low 10's maybe 9's with 17 psi. All at 15-20mpg. A 9 second gas saver wow. :j:
Again, all through power adders. I get 24mpg on the highway right now and 18 around town. What's your point?
Here's our point, who the hell cares about high HP numbers when you can't make as much torque as a straight six? You want big low rpm torque numbers from 4.6? You have to use a positive diplacement style supercharger. Two schools of thought here, some like to build power the old fashioned way, bigger cubes and better breathing. The other side is content to huff and puff their way to respectable times through stock equipment. Eventually, I'll huff and puff too, but building 400hp the old fashioned way was my original intention. I had no idea it wouldn't be enough power...
Oh, BTW, comments speculating on the future of your ride don't carry any weight. 600rwhp is your goal, now get going...be sure you can still pass CA emissions...