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SUCK...that is all
I guess 2V GT getting in the 10's through the 1/4 on pure motor doesn't impress you huh. :rolleyes:
Who's in the 10's on motor alone?
With 281 cubes no less?
Are you stereotyping 2V's? That's a lot like profiling, and profiling is wrong...Quote:
Originally Posted by thumpin347
10 sec N/A GT
The Slip
Yeah, mod motors really suck.... :looney:
just a 4.6L 281 ci 2V GT that will whoop some serious ass.
lol
Over Head Cam = the win :D
Nope...Ken's car is bored .20 over to 283Quote:
Originally Posted by MafiaGT
I missed that, but no less impressive to have a 2V in the 10's on motor. ;)
yeah but for those that work on cars...and i'm assuming none of you tore one down to a bare shortblock...they suck ass. my friend just got his P-51, patriot heads and VT cams, and it was a dirty SOB to disassemble.Quote:
Originally Posted by MafiaGT
oh, and pushrod motors have been going 10s for years...so unless they do something ground breaking, theres nothing impressive about them
I not going to argue that they are a b!tch when it comes to a tear down, but I don't know of anybody with a 302 in the 10's on motor alone. One of my best friends is in the 9's with a 86 fox, but he has built and rebuilt that motor countless times. He's got it stroked to 347 and uses a 225 hp shot of juice to get him there. On motor w/ slicks he's in the 12's. Now that's with 64 more ci's to play with... but let's talk about the milder guys.. tell me about somebody with a stroked 308 in the 10's on motor and you'll have my attention just the same. I have nothing against pushrod's at all, but you gotta take notice when somebody puts a 2V in the 10's on motor.
Jon
that car you linked is not a stock rotating assembly...thats a highly built 2v running high compression short block running race fuel. those heads are race ported, the cams are custom grinds. everything on that motor is race prepped...20k in the motor. they just dont tell you in the article to prevent revealing a racer's set up.Quote:
Originally Posted by MafiaGT
now...i've got buddies that run high 10s on 306 set ups. 11.5:1 compression, worked AFR 185 heads, larger valves, ported systemax II lower with sheetmetal intake, built auto on slicks. 20k to build the entire car.
trust me, i know what a mod motor can do...and i am pretty impressed with them. and i'm sure NA mod motor cars can only get quicker when new head casts are released with box style intake manifolds. it just takes alot more money to build a decent mod motor than it is to build a decent pushrod motor.
my point was, that for those that work on cars, they are a major pain in the ass. 2 days, and we still havent finished his car. i could have my car done in a day. sorry if you got offended mafia, but that wasnt how i meant it
:werd:Quote:
Originally Posted by thumpin347
I wasn't offended at all. Your comment just seemed to me like it you were crapping on their performance. :fart: You've got no arguement from me about how much of a pain they are to work on.
As for the car I mentioned, I of course realize that it's a built motor, it just makes me :drool: that these 2V's have so much performance potential. :beerchug:
You wouldn't want to help me install my Cams would you?? :dance:
once the hardcore aftermarket opens up for the 2v motors, they are definately going to be bad ass. they just need a couple more box style intakes such as the p51 but at a more affordable price. i'd also like to see trick flow come out with some bad ass heads for the mod motor. there's no question the 2v mod is a decent motor. i havent come across any real street n/a 2 valves that run hard though...with the exception of my friend's car, at least he hopes :thumpupn:
Also, I was getting 27mpg(hwy) in my 98cobra with 3.73s.I have never had a 300+hp pushrod engine get anywhere near that.I have 4.10s with a 2v and get 24mpg on the hwy.
That's not all, that car only weighs 2875lbs WITH Driver. Jeez, I could stuff a 302 with bolt ons into a Civic and do the same thing...
My balls your chin. And I am sure your 347 is gonna last a long time. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by thumpin347
Thumpin 347 is right. They can make power but they are the most God awful things to have to work on. It took me 4 hours to put the PI intake manifold on. I can only imagine how bad it would be trying to pull heads.
Now, on the other hand, I've seen guy pull a 302, swap out the cam, assemble and install heads, intake new timing chain, put it back in the car and drive it around then be cleaned up for supper.
I just don't think they sound as good as the 4.6's though :D
My 347 will be spanking your ass for as long as your car is on the road...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Js281GT
You're not another one of those who fell for the "347's only last 20K miles" guys are you? The right rotating assy will go 100K no problem...
Besides, those of us who build cars/motors, we won't be happy with what we've got long enough for it to wear out anyway. I'm already planning the next build, and my 347 has less than 5k miles on it.
I swap my cams with the motor still in the car, that can be done in a few hours time once you've "learned the ropes"Quote:
Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
That last comment, whew, that's subjective. Guess you've never heard an 11:1 347 thumpin through dumps?
I highly doubt it, maybe if it was a 331 or 342. 100k ya maybe on april 1st :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
I see that you do subscribe to the internet bs. I will from now on discount anything mechanical/technical you have to offer :rolleyes:
Actually, a friend of mine Edgar has a 9 sec 347. Yeah it sounds mean as hell but only the OHC 4.6's have that distinct pinging tone that I love so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
Here's shots of Edgar's car and motor. :devil:
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http://www.mustangmods.com/data/1619/dsc00425.jpg
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Very nice...
To each his own. I'll go on record as saying I can't really tell the difference between them in stock form with aftermarket exhaust installed. Never really tried to either I guess.
the 5.0's always to me sound like they have a much deeper tone yet rhaspier also. A friend of mine has a 5.0 with bbk shorties, mac O/R h pipe and flows.
His wife has a 96 GT with the identical exhaust (well she has my bassani X pipe now) but when she had the mac pipe there was a HUGE difference in tone. Matt's 5.0 was much deeper and Jeanne's had that pinging tone and no rhasp that the 5.0 had.
Either way, they both sound better than a chevy :D
Agreed, I hate how the fox's sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
My car sucks. :D
In keeping with the theme of the thread...Yes, yes it does! :thumpupn:Quote:
Originally Posted by Droptop2001GT
All that boost for a measly 400hp...tsk, tsk ;)
I've got plenty of excuses...Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
A. the A/F is running really rich (peaks at 10.8:1)
B. I still have the stock upper plenum and a 70mm throttle body, which greatly restricts the airflow into the engine.
C. 8.5:1 compression. The same setup on stock compression would make much closer to 450 at the tires. However, the internals would never survive.
Either way, those are all just lame excuses. I'm hoping to have them all cleared up within the next 3-4 weeks. I figure with an Accufab Plenum/Accufab 75mm TB, and a good aggressive tune (~11.8:1 A/F) on the ACCEL gen VII DFI, the car should make at least 460 hp and 495 tq to the tires at 13psi.
Maybe I can bump the car up to 16-18 psi just to see 500 rwhp for a dyno vid ;)
umm, the reason the mod motor sounded like there was more ping in the exhaust note is because of the x-pipe. anyway, pushrod>mod motorQuote:
Originally Posted by Js281GT
Ryan, I thought you had a fox lake enigne? Did you keep the factory internals??
I junked the whole stock engine. The foxlake engine I got is the entire longblock setup: block, cobra crank, forged H-beam rods, forged 8.5 CR pistons, stage 2 P&P heads, modmax cams, oversized ferrea valves, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by FastRedPonyCar
then why not crank the boost up more. 500 rwhp sould be streetable with a decent tune. Hell, dave's 02 GT has over 750 with the 2.2L blowzilla and he drives it every day. Those internals are good to 1000 hp. I say get your money's worth outta that! :D
Sweet, to build a 302 based stroker to go to 1000hp would be disasterous without buying a $2500 block to stuff all the parts in. I didn't know 2v blocks were that strong. Maybe I need to start looking a little harder.
you wouldnt be able to squeeze 1000hp out of a 4.6 block either...blocks progressively have become weaker and weaker over the years...hence why people buy older blocks because they are made of a more pure iron whereas nowadays, the iron is actually diluted with other metals to reduce material costs.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSlo5.0
Mod > Rod
if thats the case...why is it that you cant even break the 400 mark with forced induction??
To each their own, pushrods for the mechanically inclined gearheads, modular power for those who don't know how to pull a valve cover and replace valve stem seals. They can bolt on a power adder and I'll keep on building power the "old fashioned" way.
In the modular owners defense, what chioce do they really have? You want anything newer than a 95 and you're stuck with the anemic 4.6L. Factory heads being the best and only offerings so far, maybe a port job and a bullit intake for "aftermarket" power. I'd wimp out and supercharge it too, there's no real alternative.