Who else thinks this is BULLSH1T??? Speak up so it may be changed !!!!! [Archive]

yosemiddysam

12-07-2006, 11:50 PM

I am sorry for being this upset but if enough of the members that have been here for a while agree then Maybe I was Not the only one pissed. We had a huge problem with Face Offs being too buddy buddy oriented then the JFO came along and everyone was happy. Then you could bet on a winner. Most of us that have seen how this works benefited greatly from this and got used to it and now I feel the system has failed and needs revamped. There seems to be a new buddy system in either the judges or some judges that really dont have a clue how to judge a face off the way us GOTSTANG Members do.

J could you please fix this problem. When I am wrong with a bet I take it in stride but not choosing someone JUST because she has pissed you off or you dont like her is an all new low.

I think this face off #748 should stand WITH Nay losing just because she picked on someone with a way lesser web site but I think all wagers and win streaks should be given back to the members. Anyone else feel the same way? If I am out voted on this one please delete my Got Stang site!!!!

These are the judges oppinions.
After reviewing both sites, I have to say that BOTH need to add Pic's to their websites for F/O Challenges. Nay has all the required pic's for each area if this was a Best OverAll F/O, there is just not enough of them to get a really good look at anything. 1Krazypony needs to add pic's for the engine bay, trunk, interior and undercarriage. Since this f/o is goin for the stock challenge instead of a Best Overall, I would have to say that exterior wise, 1krazypony takes it. This F/O has left it up to the judges for their interpetation on how this F/O is viewed and decided and this is mine. Picked
1Krazypony

Since nay put up the challenge I am gonna judge pics for pics based on Krazy's site. Both car's are very clean and up to par. I am gonna have to lean towards the Krazy man based on the color and appearance of his ride. Picked
1Krazypony

1krazy doesnt have anything in the way of pics outside of exterior to judge. nay first time i've seen this ride, very nice ,and great detailing, looks close to new Picked
Nay

AND NOW THE COMMENTS FROM SOME MEMBERS WHO'S OPPINIONS SHOULD MATTER !!!!!!!!!!!

I thought this was a overall challenge and by looking at the wagers. I think alot of other people did as well.. ohh wellll time to build up the wager points again.
People gotta use basic language in a face-off I think. "Best Interior", "Best Paintjob" or "Best Overall" It might confuse betters and judges otherwise.
i AGREE WITH HIM BUT IT WASNT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

I think this face off was bull shit. I am sick and tired of loosing my damned win streaks and points on face offs that in no damned way should have been judged the way they were. 1krazy doesnt have anything in the way of pics outside of exterior to judge. Then how the hell did he win???? Since nay put up the challenge I am gonna judge pics for pics based on Krazy's site. Why not base pics on both websites. A STOCK 5.0 Challenge means to me the same as BEST OVERALL and by looking at the bets 390 to 4355 I am not the only one that has thought this way. Nay has all the required pic's for each area if this was a Best OverAll F/O, there is just not enough of them to get a really good look at anything. ALL REQUIRED PICS.....ENOUGH SAID!!!!!!!!! 1Krazypony needs to add pic's for the engine bay, trunk, interior and undercarriage. Come on judges if you have beef with her cause the way she chooses easier opponents thats one thing and I honestly can say I have to agree sometimes but damn it you absolutely cannot take it out on the people betting on these face offs. If you could not tell that Stock 5.0 Challenge meant Best overall you have no damned reason being a judge. I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS WAY JUST SEEM TO BE THE ONLY ONE WITH ENOUGH BALLS TO ADMIT IT.

jason2004gt

12-08-2006, 06:49 AM

That is the reason why I quit voting on them and made it, so people can't challenge me in F/O's either. To much if the buddy system or people just don't know what they are doin'!

stalker232stang

12-08-2006, 11:14 AM

Judges are using the buddy system and that takes the fun out of everything. This isn't going to work every well if these bs keeps up.. the judges need to look at whats what and not oh i like his color better then his.. like wtf a color or a color if you don't like it oh well..

91GT347

12-08-2006, 11:15 AM

I have to agree that some of them are NOT judged the way they should be. I see judges chose cars because they like the color better,or the body style better,or whatever. It should be based on cleanliness,mods,and how much work is put into a car,and how it's shown on their site. Not personal preference on a color ,ect.

WhtStang

12-08-2006, 11:15 AM

i agree completely. thats the reason i quit voting....tired of the B/S. sorry but thats what it is. its been going downhill for some time now and its only getting worse. i guess when you hit rock bottom you can dig alittle deeper and get alittle bit lower. this just goes to prove that.

yosemiddysam

12-08-2006, 11:26 AM

I was kinda wondering the same thing???????? WTF

the beast 88

12-08-2006, 11:46 AM

Juiced2002GT

12-08-2006, 11:57 AM

yellowshaker04

12-08-2006, 12:13 PM

yosemiddysam

12-08-2006, 02:03 PM

i agree...even people with websites that dont have many pics on there lose points and shit from other challenging them when they have no chance at all winning. Those should get cancelled or not even happen at all.

Yes that is true and I feel for them but why are they asking to get classified if they dont have enough pics and why take it out on the members that consistently bet on JFO's. I dont just bet on ones I know are easy wins. I rarely dont vote on a JFO. Thats all I am trying to say. This faceoff was given to someone just because the judges didnt like another person and it is at the price of the members betting. Thats what I feel is bull shit.

Juiced2002GT

12-08-2006, 02:24 PM

good point...screw them all and their JFO's

crimsonblack

12-08-2006, 04:24 PM

i agree...even people with websites that dont have many pics on there lose points and shit from other challenging them when they have no chance at all winning. Those should get cancelled or not even happen at all.

If you don't challenge you don't lose any points Juice. Only the person that actually made the challenge is risking points.

crimsonblack

12-08-2006, 04:45 PM

Okay, I am going to dig into this with my opinion....

Classification: This area needs work and judging from the rash of changes I have seen the last week or so things might be. I have noticed that the list of people waiting to be classified is down to nothing and that some cars have changed classifications while others classified no longer are.

JFO: JFO's are still opinion. The opinion of three people rather than a group vote which is what people wanted. Recently some of the comments have gotten out of hand by the judges... flipping a coin and so forth and even Nay's recent face-off that she probably should have won based on images available. There are also some people that have taken on questionable face-off and created people that will look for any reason to vote against them.

some judges appear more into engine work, others the more visual. I have also seen some of the judges comments get better and more detailed. Hell, they are even voting faster than before. With every judge having the same avatar now it's hard to determine which judge or even two judges that might be the problem.

but I am sick of the buddy system comments about everything. It happens with anything and everything that involves human beings interacting with each other. It's a competition thing. There are three judges voting in these face-off, so the "buddy system" is minimal. It's all about opinions and the judges need to keep personal feeling out of the equation or some folks would never win even if they were facing off against themselves. No system is perfect and everyone here, including myself, has had a streak broken based on the judges decisions, which we know had to be wrong. This is suppose to be for fun just like the tournaments and car shows. Hell, no one likes to lose and we always think our car or opinion is better than the next guy in most cases. If you don't want to get into the fun stuff like face-offs, hunts, tournaments or car shows then take down all your car pictures and just cruise around and have a good time looking and reading everyone elses comments. That way there is nothing that can piss you off or get you upset because you are just lerkering around watching everyone else mingle and have a good time.

The comments everyone has made are valid. There are one or two judges not taking it serious enough or just using their vote to go against everyone else. But I don't think it's fair to toss all eight judges into the fire when I have read some really good comments recently. Some of these judges are doing the job and putting in the effort.

Okay... that's my two cents. Throw your rocks now... I got my bling bus helmet and jock strap on. Bruise me, but don't abuse me. :)

ylwfevr

12-08-2006, 04:53 PM

:censored: I can't fine a rock throwing smile. J can you please add one. :thanks:

P.S.
J can you also add a Short Bus smiley and a helment smiley.

yosemiddysam

12-08-2006, 07:14 PM

Crimson I totally agree with you and your above statement. If you read mine I in no way said or meant all judges. I gaurantee you that if and when the ones that pissed away that face off read my post they immediately knew I was talking dirrectley to them. I in no way shape or form want all the judges to think I am bashing on them. I have noticed a few judges that do everything they can do to help us do better and comment great. Can you honestly tell me that this face off was fair and that if you lost a streak and points that you wouldnt be upset???? I honestly think not. I dont so much care about that now but would like to see that this shit stops. I bet on these as if I am judging the JFO myself. If I am going to take my time to research each one and each others site it is just repulsive to me that someone that is supposed to is not doing it the way they were trusted to do. Thats all I am saying. I even told the other guy that I was not trying to bash on him and gave him some insight on how and what would make his site better. Just hate to see things like this happen. This is like the third or so long streak that I have lost cause of something that was debatable. Sorry if I offended anyone that didnt deserve it.

YsOffcr

12-08-2006, 10:43 PM

Ok, I'm going to sound like I'm from Switerland but this is my opinion. I agree with you on some points but then I also disagree with you on some. I lost 1000 pts on that FO and the same time won 1000 (thanks ylwfevr for winning) so my streak went to 0 again. If I may make a suggestion: J can you make only choices for the JFOs instead of the default and type what you want. For example 1) Best Overall 2) Best Exterior 3) Best Interior 4) Best Engine 5) Best Sound System 6) Best Undercarriage. This way it keeps it simple and no one has to try and decipher what the FO is about.

In nay's JFO she was the one who put Stock challenge which opens the door to interpretation. I was thinking along the lines of best overall but my other half took it as which was the better stock looking Mustang. krzypony didn't have all the pics for an overall, and you could take it as nay was making a confusing title so it wouldn't look like she was taking on the lesser car for an easy win, or since her opponent only had exterior pics it was a fancy way of saying best exterior. Personally I would like to hear what nay meant by the title and then we could get a better idea on how it should have went.

The judges have it hard, and they are entitled to their opinion of which one is better than the other that's the way it goes. I have lost JFOs (at least one) because of color or body style. In their defense, if I was one and had to read something negative every week about the judging I would stop doing it. In another case I see one of the judges got fed up and wote the comments in spanish, which really wasn't fair to the competitors.

crimsonblack

12-09-2006, 12:01 AM

I agree. I stayed away from that JFO simply because Nay was involved in it. You just don't know what could happen regardless of how the sites appeared. Krazy should not have even been classified as Yo mentioned I believe. He never should have won simply because he didn't have anything except exterior shots... my opinion again. Best overall means interior, exterior and engine. The undercarriage, trunk and so one is pudding on the pie so to speak. But some of the judges don't think as I do.

As YS has commented... it would be best if only direct titles could be used... Best this or that and no two could be selected together. At least it cuts down on Interpretation as some people have picked three different titles for one face-off. :silly:

yosemiddysam

12-09-2006, 05:51 AM

Damn it fellows I hate to admit it but I agree. But for gods sake can either of you honestly tell me that if ME VS YOU, were going head to head and i Said Stock 5.0 challenge that the judges would not go all out and vote best over all, then either I need my head examined or that face off is total bull shit. I think JFO's should have the exact categories that ya'll mentioned so Nay and some other bitch ass point hoggers could not get away with cheatin,(in my own personal oppinion)which it what it is...... She is not the only one and till we.........MEMBERS put an end to it,it will never end. VP does it just as much if not more than she does and no one is bitchin. Lets fix the god damned problem and be done with it. I will absolutely not be happy until J resets my winning streak and gives me back my well earned points. If not then to hell with got stang and everything it represents. I am so tired of all the damned politics and being buddies with this guy and being in with this team that I could give just about two shits at this point.

crimsonblack

12-09-2006, 01:35 PM

Oh believe me the judges and members have bitched about VP's questionable selection and catagories. If you check his past JFO's there are comments to this stuff. I am leary of betting on his face-offs as well. There is no delete option for the judges where it could be deleted if say two of the three selected the option (which would be cool, if it could even be done). The other side of the coin is that the judges really need to be fair even on a bad face-off because it affects the members that are voting on them and their points.

As I said, no system is perfect but the buddy system is still minimal with the JFO and hopefully the judges are honorable enough to put aside any team crap when it comes to judging a face-off.

And most of all remember that this is an online car show. How you present your car determines if you win. YOu could have the best ride on the site, but if your pictures are hard to find, there aren't enough of them, no outside pretty shots, or poor quality you may not win against a lesser car that has presented their ride to a better degree. There have been tons of judges comments regarding photo quality, the images available and missing stuff that it should alert members that most judges are looking deep into the sites and really checking out the cars. I said most... not all, as is evident by many recent comments and "lack" of judgement in some JFOs.

If more people get involved like Yo has with his comments and even more actually make the effort to participate on the site it can get better and better every day. But everyone here has to put forth an effort to change things and be a part of it. J is just one person running GS and there are so many areas that people want changes to, upgrades to, more of this and that. Just getting pissed off and refusing to participate, or leaving the site is childish and stupid.

I have met some really cool people here over the last year. Just some of a few of them are HerNastyNotch, Ysoffcr, Yellowshaker04, ylwfevr, 91GT331, Tweety, Blissfullerin, J, Nicole3x3, Wldponi03, Yosemiddysam, and so many others that I have spoken with a few times or done sigs/graphics for. I have gotten mad, pissed off, and whatever else you can think of but I have never left or even thought about it. Belly up to the bar people. Participate rather than run away or refuse to play. Sure makes for a boring time. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has them... and they stink. But we all want to hear them, debate them, talk about them and just maybe bitch about them too. LOL.

yosemiddysam

12-09-2006, 02:39 PM

well said!!!!

YsOffcr

12-09-2006, 11:27 PM

Very well said, Tim. I've been pissed off at a few things on this site, but never thought to leave it. I've also met some great people on this site and really hate to see people leave for whatever the reason. Like Tim said J is only one person and he can't do it all himself, that's the reason I offered to help with the trivia since it had been months since a new one was up.

Just to add a point about what Crimson said about it being an online carshow, I just recently met a member who I had lost a JFO to in the past. We were standing outside and I popped the hood to show it off a little and he said, "Your's is clean, no wonder you were upset when you lost." It just goes to show you can't get the overall feel of someone's Stang on the net that you do in person.

yosemiddysam

12-10-2006, 03:42 AM

True but the point of this whole damned thing was there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THIS FACE OFF SHOULD HAVE BEEN JUDGED THIS WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For some reaon it has gotten away from this. I could give two shits who won or lost but it should have been judged different. Thats all I was pissed about. Kinda strikes me wierd that this thread has been going on for a few days now and J has not commented once.

AmericanMetal

12-12-2006, 01:39 AM

The comments everyone has made are valid. There are one or two judges not taking it serious enough or just using their vote to go against everyone else. But I don't think it's fair to toss all eight judges into the fire when I have read some really good comments recently. Some of these judges are doing the job and putting in the effort.

Okay... that's my two cents. Throw your rocks now... I got my bling bus helmet and jock strap on. Bruise me, but don't abuse me. :)

:nya:

Couldn't resist that invitation! Seriously though, I thought the JFO between me and YsOffcr was good... the judges that did ours took the time to look at our sites, didn't get personal and gave constructive feedback.

1hotpony

12-19-2006, 01:57 AM

OK GS members, judges have enough problems judging as it is, but what do you want us to do when members like Nay go against another member,just to try an easy win! It's not fair to the other member and it's an insult to us judges that try to judge these kind of JFO's. Maybe J can pentalize the person going for the easy wins, this kind of stuff needs to stop. There is to much arguing going on. Just remember ,that GS is a good site ,but if members go after other members just to get easy points, then we'll be loosing in the long run, because people will go to another site. Plus weather some of you realize it or not, potential sponsors visit this site, to find cars that they would like to sponsor. A company wants a person with a good attitude, because if they do sponsor you, you represent them and their products.
I don't know about other members,but when my sponsors visit GS, I want them to see a good community and a great site. Gotstang is a great place to be, but if stuff like this don't get taken care of, then GS will slowly be destroyed.
As far as judgeing a JFO I look at every aspect of each car over and over, page by page, before I make a decision. :gso:

crimsonblack

12-19-2006, 09:19 AM

Sure, some JFO's are not fair. Even if Nay or anyone else gets into a face-off that's an easy win the judges MUST be honest and give the person that deserves it the win. If you vote against the person because they went after an easy victory the judges cheat the system and screw over the members that are wagering on the events outcome. That judge or those judges would be the ones screwing with the integrity of the system that's been put into place and make the judges look bad.

If you see a bullshit face-off then email J and he can remove it. He did it with the JFO between SatinLow and OneBad95 for Best Overall Car by cancelling it.

This is not some sanctioned website by some registered car event. Sponsors coming to check out GotStang doesn't mean anything. If they are looking for cars to sponsor they've come to right site. There are some excellent Mustangs here. Our online events, JFO's, hunts and so one should mean nothing to them. These are just ways for the sites members to interact.

Judges have the responsiblity to be honest and straight forward when they do a face-off whether they like the person or not. It's about the mustangs and how they are presented, photographed and maintained. Judges don't control who faces off against who, that's what the ultimate FO is for. If J doesn't pull it for an obvious reason the judges need to go in, judge the face-off honestly and write-up their comments professionally and present their votes to the masses. That's it. And... they need to do it in a timely manner as well.

Voting against the better car because they believe the face-off is unfair is unfair to the rest of GS and it's members.

yosemiddysam

12-19-2006, 09:30 AM

Well said crimson.. That was my whole point.

1hotpony

12-19-2006, 11:26 AM

Your right to an extent! But, it doesn't give the newest GS members a look at how good this site is. It's giving GS a bad rep! myself ,I don't judge a JFO and give it to the car ,just cause the member goes for an easy win! I've been temped to ,but I haven't yet! I don't want to mess up the members who are wagering points. Maybe J, can add a disqualifing option. I don't mind judgeing the JFO's ,but to really judge a JFO takes time to do it right, and it's not fair to us judges to go for these easy wins! We take the time to judge them ,so come on GS'ers do the right thing and go against an opponient that is in the same ball park as you! To judge a JFO right ,you have to go back and forth on each site ,page by page and compare. sometimes you have to go to one site ,then right straight to a nother to determine your pick.

crimsonblack

12-19-2006, 01:36 PM

Of course going for an easy win doesn't mean they will get it. The other person may not have checked the entire site or simply made a mistake thinking they were better than the other car. But when a car with zero interior and engine shots beats a car that has the exterior, the engine and the interior pix is wrong. I don't care how great the other car is. If the great car on here had no interior or engine shots they should not be able to take a victory for best overall car - and that is what started this forum gripe. No judge could honestly vote for the car with missing shots against a lesser car that had all the shots. Undercarriage and trunk photos are nice to have but the interior and engine are a must for best overall.

yosemiddysam

12-19-2006, 03:57 PM

Hey crimson did ya see the latest JFO. I hope I dont get picked on fer going for a lesser opponent. Just thought it was time fer her to learn her lesson.

crimsonblack

12-21-2006, 07:36 AM

Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was a fair match up Yo. Not picking on her at all.

Nay

01-15-2007, 12:10 PM

Hey crimson did ya see the latest JFO. I hope I dont get picked on fer going for a lesser opponent. Just thought it was time fer her to learn her lesson.

Lol Is that what you were trying to do? I told you before, I'm open for any JFO. It doesn't bother me if I lose. :) Especially if it's against someone in my category. If you had a problem with losing on the occasion, you wouldn't take the chance and sign up to be classified in the first place!

The way I see it is if you had enough pictures and information to be classified, you have enough pictures and information to be judged in a Face Off. Therefore, if they only have 5 pictures of their car and a judge has obviously seen it fit to classify them, why is it against the "social rules" to challenge against them?

crimsonblack

01-15-2007, 02:04 PM

To many people are classified and have their face-offs turned off.

Nay

01-16-2007, 07:11 PM

Then why haven't they been removed from the classified lists?

crimsonblack

01-16-2007, 08:04 PM

Probably because J hasn't set that as a rule to be classified. The whole reason to get classified is to compete in team events (should they eventually happen) and for JFO's.

Nay

01-16-2007, 08:52 PM

Well, I understand that. But, why should it be wrong to go against ANY classified member, when they signed up to be classified for JFOs/Team Events in the first place?

yosemiddysam

01-17-2007, 03:37 AM

Because certain judges see you constantly going after people with one page. There are way more people in your classes that have a full website that you could go up against and make it a good face off. Instead they see you constantly betting 500 points on a sure win with someone with one page and damned sure not enough pics for a BEST OVER ALL and then they just vote against you and honest people like me and quite a few others in here lose points and win streaks and it seem like you could give two shits about it. When I commented one your face off you was like "eh it happens" which made me even madder cause it added insult to injury. Nay I personally think you have some nice ass Stangs but you make them look bad by YOUR way of challenging people. I can not fully hold you responsible because its not your fault that these people got classified and in a sense you are right to challenge them. Just think of it this way how many people can you honestly say ALWAYS go for a much weaker opponent. I can think of about 3 and I have spoken to them as well. Hell over 3/4's of your face offs I would delete if I had the power just because the other persons site dont have the required pics. I have absolutely no hard feelings for you. I just would like to see you step it up and challenge members that have a site sutible for a JFO. If ya wanna go best over all then make sure they have the pics. If not try best engine or best exterior/interior, whatever they have pictures of. Sorry if this pisses you off but as you put it "eh it happens"

crimsonblack

01-17-2007, 08:17 PM

The only thing required to get classified is one picture of the exterior, interior, engine and a mod list. if someone asks to get classified with the minimal images then they probably deserve to get picked on. There are really only so many cars of equal... says looks or mods that someone can compete against. Most peoples sites are light in one area or another... mostly it's lots of exterior pictures and maybe a shot or two of the engine and interior.

Then they get classified and turn their disable the face-offs which is the only reason to get classified right now. You should have to be classified to compete in anything... car show, tournaments, face-offs, whatever.

yosemiddysam

01-17-2007, 08:31 PM

And to get classified you should have all the required pics and not just one or two of anything.

drkhsemach1

01-23-2007, 12:13 PM

Wow, after reading through all the comments i have to say that i agree with Crimsonblack. We need to have specified categories that people can use to determine what the face-offs are going to be judged on or if we arent goin to have them, then we need to give the judges some way to get rid of an easy-win faceoff. I can certainly appreciate the judges point of view as they pretty much have had their hands tied in these situations. Either they vote for the car that ligitimately wins the faceoff or they vote against the car that is trying to get the easy win. Whats the right call?? I am of the opinion that the judges do need an out for these BS faceoffs, and i want to say that i think 1HOTPONY was cool to come on and give us some insight.

I also wanted to add that Nay has a point with the "why are they classified if they dont want to be in a JFO?" If they are classified to a degree i guess she's got a point, now whether or not one goes after those people thats a different story. I guess it just comes down to the social rules that she mentioned earlier.

My final thought is this, and i know we have all heard it on various mustang sites when we are refering to mods "Not my cup of tea, but if you like it then cool." Guess we'll just have to see what happens with who people decide to faceoff against.

Ok I'm off the soapbox...... who's got next?

yosemiddysam

01-24-2007, 07:00 AM

I am just glad the Moderately Modified class is full of people that know how to build a decent site. Other wise the judges would go nuts trying to decifer the mods lists lol.

crimsonblack

01-24-2007, 08:07 AM

Well said DRKHSE. The problem with "Classification" is that so many people just want to meet the minimum to get classified. One exterior, one interior, one engine and a mod list. Then some bitch about getting picked on and we bitch at the person that is choosing lesser cars to JFO against. You don't have to be classed to pick on some in the regular face-off's which several people have done.

Nay's comments about classified "for JFO's" is true. If you ask to be classified aren't you really game for anyone in your class or below you? You should be. How many people get classified and then turned disable the JFO face-off's? There are several who do it.

The judges and several of us, myself included have complained about people facing off against "lesser cars" site wise because the person hasn't posted enough pictures. But if you do face-offs regularly you quickly run out of cars that equal to your own and have the pictures posted for you to go up against. So do we stop doing JFO's or do you start going after the so called "lesser cars" in your own classification and get picked at? Tough decision.

You either tighten up the classification rules (number of pictures for each area, no disabling the JFO feature, etc) or you leave it as it is and we stop bitching about someone is facing off against. If they are classified they become the target of whoever wants to go after them. If we do that then the 500pt rule goes out the window. (member gets to decided if they want to face-off if there is more than 500pts between the two cars). If your classified you are game for anyone in your classification and lower.

It sucks for many members finding a person in your classification or higher, has enough pictures to be a fair JFO, and be within 500pts of that person so you can go up against them without their approval to do it. That's rediculous.

If we stay with how it is now... then the judges just have to go by what is available to them for the JFO. Not enough pictures to show the car correct... you lose. We can't continue to hold it against the person for challenging less cars IF they have done their fair share of challenging equal ones.

Okay... who's next. :)

yosemiddysam

01-24-2007, 08:20 AM

I agree totally Tim. But heres my catch some people dont ever challenge people with a good site just the cheesy ones that get them 500 points right off the bat. I agree that if they are classified fair game but damn it then we have to reclassify everyone and trust me J I would be more than willing to help you with that. Other thing is how hard would it be to add a friggin delete Face off button??????? If it is possible why not do it????? that would solve all the problems. If we Judges are trusted to pick the right cars why not trust us to be able to say Hey dip shit pick a car that has the site for a BOA face off?

crimsonblack

01-24-2007, 08:40 AM

Your right. I did add in my rant that picking the lesser car is acceptable if you have been challenging the cars that are equal to your own. It's a little harder in the JFO's then it is in the regular face-offs

drkhsemach1

01-24-2007, 12:03 PM

I think the key here is that the Judges need a delete faceoff button. If they are trusted to decide between two cars in the first place then whats to say that we shouldn't trust them to deem a faceoff unfair? I would strongly support that decision, a very good idea and it would stop those people that are just trying to pick on other lesser vehicles. I think that would stop a lot of the problems goin on in the JFOs

NewOneSoon

03-29-2007, 10:41 PM

I have a question about this ????....I see alot of face offs were cars that are clearly more are challenging car that are clearly not as much ...WHy is this fair for example my v6 against a modded Cobra 03 - 04 ....Now i dont stand a chance ....... i think thats uncool because thats just an easy win for them ..... PLus im wondering how some one can challenge some one if they dont except it ??????????

VP_96COBRA

03-30-2007, 06:20 PM

thats right to many people have their jfo's turned off or are to low in points so IM left with no choice. i like jfo and wont stop. its not my fault. do away with the points rule and/or the turn on or off option and ill face evryone in lightly modifed plus when your at 80+ jfo not to many options left.... especially if your addicted to jfo's

auriansmustang

03-30-2007, 06:33 PM

today i get a BS faceoff with a stang that is obviously better than mine. 05 gt with mods

boss91gt

03-30-2007, 07:32 PM

I saw the JFO but you had to ask to get classified therefore you should expect JFO's. You have a nice stang take some pictures and post them.

PONY GUY

04-01-2007, 06:18 PM

I have lost all 3 face offs I have been in so far but I only had one page with 4 pics in it . Now I have 4 pages with alot more pics so I'll have better chance of winning a face off

DONT HATE THE PLAYER HATE THE GAME!!!!!

crimsonblack

04-01-2007, 08:34 PM

If you asked to be classified then it's YOUR responsibility to make sure you have enough photos to compete in a face-off against anyone in your class or lower. By getting classed you are opening yourself to someone challenging. you.

people should not asked to be classified when they barely have enough images to compete. The requirements (exterior, interior, engine and mod list - may be one of each) are the minimum. Members need to look at other cars there to what types of photos they need on their site.

I have a question about this ????....I see alot of face offs were cars that are clearly more are challenging car that are clearly not as much ...WHy is this fair for example my v6 against a modded Cobra 03 - 04 ....Now i dont stand a chance ....... i think thats uncool because thats just an easy win for them ..... PLus im wondering how some one can challenge some one if they dont except it ??????????

Nicoleb3x3

04-01-2007, 09:39 PM

I'm not sure why everyone get's upset when someone wins a face off against them due to better website, pics or even more mods or a bigger engine. There is always going to be a better car out there....so why not have fun and see how the judges judge it or in regular face offs see how others voted. it's just fun, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose...and sometimes you win when you should lose and sometimes you lose when you should win!

It's no fun if you only go up against cars you can win against, losing and getting constructiive criticism is better than just winning.

my 2 cents, I was board and wanted to make a point...blah blah blah I know

PONY GUY

04-01-2007, 10:04 PM

PONY GUY

04-02-2007, 08:12 PM

well looks like my losing streak ran out I finally won one

HerNastyNotch

04-03-2007, 09:18 AM

see!!! a success story... and it was all in the presentation! woowee, maybe the system isn't so broken afterall. ;)

PONY GUY

04-03-2007, 10:02 AM

see!!! a success story... and it was all in the presentation! woowee, maybe the system isn't so broken afterall. ;)

I do think alot of it is that there are a few ppl challanging becuase they think it will be a easy win . For instance a person with a Shelby GT500 challenging a person with a a stock 98 V6 . What the fun in that Just a easy win to gain some points . Yes I understand If they exept the challange its there own fault and they shouldnt cry about loosing .

If you wanna win face off you really should work on your page like I did . Also participating in hunts and tortuments , carshow is good to . It show you are really serious aobut your car and about the site aswell

PONY GUY

04-03-2007, 10:35 AM

thought it was a turbo car LOL pluse you coupe look really nice thought it was equal . I fyou want we can challange agianst the white car too

PONY GUY

04-03-2007, 10:40 AM

Dude, you passed on the GT and challenged my stock 2.3l daily driver?????

DID u look at the interior of my car ???? thought you had a even shot of winning and I though it was a 2.3 turbo car . PLus eyour dailly driver is really nice looking wish my DD was that nice or even a stang

boss91gt

04-03-2007, 10:42 AM

Dude, you passed on the GT and challenged my stock 2.3l daily driver?????

boss91gt

04-03-2007, 11:25 AM

Hey thanks but your stang is just wicked. It makes me drool. lol I'm not upset or anything I lose all of the time, just don't underestimate your ride. Low 11's sweet!

PONY GUY

04-03-2007, 12:05 PM

Thanks Just seem there are not alot of fox body fans here . Your notch looks like it wants a stroker motor in it !

boss91gt

04-03-2007, 12:15 PM

Yes it does and I will gladly accept all donations! lol Cruise through the JFO comments and matchups and the tournament round winners and you will get a good feel for what is most popular.

VP_96COBRA

04-03-2007, 06:46 PM

im going after your other car next boss ;P just kidding. my JFO are turned off right now till i get rims and tires.. cause with out those there is no way i can compete in moderqtely

boss91gt

04-03-2007, 07:06 PM

I'm gonna put a 300 shot of nitrous on it. LOL

StarDriver

04-04-2007, 08:15 AM

What does it matter how many pictures you have if the judges don't even know what they are looking at. :cussing:

VP_96COBRA

04-04-2007, 09:28 AM

StarDriver

04-04-2007, 08:03 PM

what do you mean why does it matter how many pics you have they do know what they are looking at if there are the right amount of pics i think your just crying and should punch yourself in the dick :fu: :closed: :nutkick:

I don't know what your problem is, I've NEVER said anything to you and since you want to take personal jabs at me twice today, why don't you go fuck yourself.

Back on topic, I'm upset as the comments that were made in my JFO, the judges don't even know what is on a Stage 3 Roush, "Oh he put an Eaton blower on it." , they don't know that it also comes with a custom intercooled intake, blower drive, ecu, and many other items. I work hard on my car to keep it nice, and it upsets me when a car is picked over mine because they went to Autozone and bought a bunch of colored hose wrap and put on their engine, while mine stays clean and is left black as it was designed, I get points against me for that.

I guess I'll just turn off my JFO's, I know the awards that this car has won and what it is capable of. I'll go to real shows instead of dealing with this crap.

For those who want to keep participating in the F/O and JFOs, have fun, I'll stay out so you all have more room.

VP_96COBRA

04-04-2007, 09:03 PM

thats good..... if you read what people write i.e. the judges they all say the same thing that you would win or it would be way better compition if you put more pics on your site. you have a bunch of exterior pics. and then a pic of your seats most judges look at interior, mods list, exterior, undercarraige, engine bay, trunk. how many of those do you have displayed with a all around pic? the exterior and thats it... oh and guess what thats where all the judges say you would have a point but fall short in the other catagories... not everyone one owns a roush not everyone knows what it has.. do you have a mods list of like what a stage 3 roush comes with? unless you typed it in invisible then no you didnt make a effort so yes turn off your jfo cause it will keep happening. you have a nice car but dont have a site to support it. and your right this isnt a real carshow its a site. so site rules and guidelines the judges are following whats put out. your right you would kick ass in a real car show. you would kick ass here too if you just took a couple more pics.

UNCobra

04-22-2007, 03:49 AM

Lots of good thoughts here so hopefully I don't muddle it up with mine. Crimsonblack is definitely impressing me with his thought processes and general overall attitude on this and I totally agree with him (not just cause you made the cool ass SIG for me) on what he's said. Unfortunately, I find myself being one of those that pick on lesser sites mainly because mine is a lessor sight. I have had to scrape together every pix I had available to build this sight since I'm deployed and only recently joined GS (Mar07). Heck, my first JFO was an ass whooping by SaleenLx which stung cause I thought I had the better "Looking" car. I finally understood what a BOA was all about and have tried to make mine better. That's what others with "Lesser" sites that are "Classified" need to do. Hell, I still don't have a real undercarriage shot, which means an automatic loss in that category. Best I can hope for is to win enough of the others. That's what makes it FUN, trying to win and sucking it up when you don't. Isn't that the Basic rule of survival - The Hunter or the Prey...everyone falls into that category depending on who they face. As for Judging, I've seen my share of "Questionable" judgements and have left my comments. Since J got the comments section up on Judges now, hopefully the "Constructive" criticism may pay off. Comments like "You Suck" doesn't help much. And for those people who don't like reading "Books", then don't. I prefer when each category is broken down so that you at least they're not pulling their Judgement out their Ass. People, can't have your cake and eat it too. As for getting pissed off, get over it, this is just for fun. How many times have I heard that one but evidently some actually think they have their bank account hooked up to this GAME. Don't get me wrong, I get pissed and have lost streaks over what I thought should have easily went the other way. Oh well, damn it, gotta start over. Sorry, this just isn't worth causing grief and if you can't enjoy it then maybe you should get out. Right now, I'm enjoying the distraction of being away from my family, friends and my STANG!!! Please, keep this contructive and look at solutions like the basic categories that YO - if I can remember back that far - has suggested. Sounds great, alleviates confusion for all. Picking on weaker - already touched on that - don't classify them if they're not ready for JFO's or get your shit together. If I can put my site together from a Sand Bowl, you guys back in the States sure the hell have no excuses. Buddy System and picking against someone you don't like - if there's reasonable proof a Judge did that, Fire 'em!!! I'm sure it can be a lot of work if you do it right but if you don't want to do it right - then give it up. Anyway, my two cents and sorry for the "Book". If I pissed anyone off, my apologies. If I've offended people by eliminating the weak in JFO's, sorry for that. Just here to have fun and do my part to make GS a better website.
Sincerely,
Alan/Uncobra