Mod Motors...

[thumpin347]

SUCK...that is all

[TheSickness]

I guess 2V GT getting in the 10's through the 1/4 on pure motor doesn't impress you huh. :rolleyes:

[NoSlo5.0]

Who's in the 10's on motor alone?

[NoSlo5.0]

With 281 cubes no less?

[NoSlo5.0]

SUCK...that is all

Are you stereotyping 2V's? That's a lot like profiling, and profiling is wrong...

[TheSickness]

10 sec N/A GT (http://www.foxlakeracing.com/index.php?src=news&prid=49&category=Front)

The Slip (http://www.modulardepot.com/images/10slip.gif)

Yeah, mod motors really suck.... :looney:

[TheSickness]

just a 4.6L 281 ci 2V GT that will whoop some serious ass.

[My Cobra]

lol

[Joe Friday]

Over Head Cam = the win :D

[02BlackGT]

just a 4.6L 281 ci 2V GT that will whoop some serious ass.

Nope...Ken's car is bored .20 over to 283

[TheSickness]

I missed that, but no less impressive to have a 2V in the 10's on motor. ;)

[thumpin347]

I missed that, but no less impressive to have a 2V in the 10's on motor. ;)
yeah but for those that work on cars...and i'm assuming none of you tore one down to a bare shortblock...they suck ass. my friend just got his P-51, patriot heads and VT cams, and it was a dirty SOB to disassemble.

oh, and pushrod motors have been going 10s for years...so unless they do something ground breaking, theres nothing impressive about them

[TheSickness]

I not going to argue that they are a b!tch when it comes to a tear down, but I don't know of anybody with a 302 in the 10's on motor alone. One of my best friends is in the 9's with a 86 fox, but he has built and rebuilt that motor countless times. He's got it stroked to 347 and uses a 225 hp shot of juice to get him there. On motor w/ slicks he's in the 12's. Now that's with 64 more ci's to play with... but let's talk about the milder guys.. tell me about somebody with a stroked 308 in the 10's on motor and you'll have my attention just the same. I have nothing against pushrod's at all, but you gotta take notice when somebody puts a 2V in the 10's on motor.

Jon

[thumpin347]

I not going to argue that they are a b!tch when it comes to a tear down, but I don't know of anybody with a 302 in the 10's on motor alone. One of my best friends is in the 9's with a 86 fox, but he has built and rebuilt that motor countless times. He's got it stroked to 347 and uses a 225 hp shot of juice to get him there. On motor w/ slicks he's in the 12's. Now that's with 64 more ci's to play with... but let's talk about the milder guys.. tell me about somebody with a stroked 308 in the 10's on motor and you'll have my attention just the same. I have nothing against pushrod's at all, but you gotta take notice when somebody puts a 2V in the 10's on motor.

Jon
that car you linked is not a stock rotating assembly...thats a highly built 2v running high compression short block running race fuel. those heads are race ported, the cams are custom grinds. everything on that motor is race prepped...20k in the motor. they just dont tell you in the article to prevent revealing a racer's set up.

now...i've got buddies that run high 10s on 306 set ups. 11.5:1 compression, worked AFR 185 heads, larger valves, ported systemax II lower with sheetmetal intake, built auto on slicks. 20k to build the entire car.

trust me, i know what a mod motor can do...and i am pretty impressed with them. and i'm sure NA mod motor cars can only get quicker when new head casts are released with box style intake manifolds. it just takes alot more money to build a decent mod motor than it is to build a decent pushrod motor.

my point was, that for those that work on cars, they are a major pain in the ass. 2 days, and we still havent finished his car. i could have my car done in a day. sorry if you got offended mafia, but that wasnt how i meant it

[TheSickness]

my point was, that for those that work on cars, they are a major pain in the ass. 2 days, and we still havent finished his car. i could have my car done in a day.

:werd:

I wasn't offended at all. Your comment just seemed to me like it you were crapping on their performance. :fart: You've got no arguement from me about how much of a pain they are to work on.

As for the car I mentioned, I of course realize that it's a built motor, it just makes me :drool: that these 2V's have so much performance potential. :beerchug:
















You wouldn't want to help me install my Cams would you?? :dance:

[thumpin347]

once the hardcore aftermarket opens up for the 2v motors, they are definately going to be bad ass. they just need a couple more box style intakes such as the p51 but at a more affordable price. i'd also like to see trick flow come out with some bad ass heads for the mod motor. there's no question the 2v mod is a decent motor. i havent come across any real street n/a 2 valves that run hard though...with the exception of my friend's car, at least he hopes :thumpupn:

[CallawayGT]

Also, I was getting 27mpg(hwy) in my 98cobra with 3.73s.I have never had a 300+hp pushrod engine get anywhere near that.I have 4.10s with a 2v and get 24mpg on the hwy.

[NoSlo5.0]

That's not all, that car only weighs 2875lbs WITH Driver. Jeez, I could stuff a 302 with bolt ons into a Civic and do the same thing...

[Js281GT]

SUCK...that is all
My balls your chin. And I am sure your 347 is gonna last a long time. :lol:

[FastRedPonyCar]

Thumpin 347 is right. They can make power but they are the most God awful things to have to work on. It took me 4 hours to put the PI intake manifold on. I can only imagine how bad it would be trying to pull heads.

Now, on the other hand, I've seen guy pull a 302, swap out the cam, assemble and install heads, intake new timing chain, put it back in the car and drive it around then be cleaned up for supper.

I just don't think they sound as good as the 4.6's though :D

[NoSlo5.0]

My balls your chin. And I am sure your 347 is gonna last a long time. :lol:

My 347 will be spanking your ass for as long as your car is on the road...:)

You're not another one of those who fell for the "347's only last 20K miles" guys are you? The right rotating assy will go 100K no problem...

Besides, those of us who build cars/motors, we won't be happy with what we've got long enough for it to wear out anyway. I'm already planning the next build, and my 347 has less than 5k miles on it.

[NoSlo5.0]

Thumpin 347 is right. They can make power but they are the most God awful things to have to work on. It took me 4 hours to put the PI intake manifold on. I can only imagine how bad it would be trying to pull heads.

Now, on the other hand, I've seen guy pull a 302, swap out the cam, assemble and install heads, intake new timing chain, put it back in the car and drive it around then be cleaned up for supper.

I just don't think they sound as good as the 4.6's though :D

I swap my cams with the motor still in the car, that can be done in a few hours time once you've "learned the ropes"

That last comment, whew, that's subjective. Guess you've never heard an 11:1 347 thumpin through dumps?

[Js281GT]

My 347 will be spanking your ass for as long as your car is on the road...:)

You're not another one of those who fell for the "347's only last 20K miles" guys are you? The right rotating assy will go 100K no problem...

Besides, those of us who build cars/motors, we won't be happy with what we've got long enough for it to wear out anyway. I'm already planning the next build, and my 347 has less than 5k miles on it.
I highly doubt it, maybe if it was a 331 or 342. 100k ya maybe on april 1st :lol:

[NoSlo5.0]

I see that you do subscribe to the internet bs. I will from now on discount anything mechanical/technical you have to offer :rolleyes:

[FastRedPonyCar]

I swap my cams with the motor still in the car, that can be done in a few hours time once you've "learned the ropes"

That last comment, whew, that's subjective. Guess you've never heard an 11:1 347 thumpin through dumps?

Actually, a friend of mine Edgar has a 9 sec 347. Yeah it sounds mean as hell but only the OHC 4.6's have that distinct pinging tone that I love so much.

Here's shots of Edgar's car and motor. :devil:

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/1619/dsc00421.jpg

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[NoSlo5.0]

Very nice...

To each his own. I'll go on record as saying I can't really tell the difference between them in stock form with aftermarket exhaust installed. Never really tried to either I guess.

[FastRedPonyCar]

the 5.0's always to me sound like they have a much deeper tone yet rhaspier also. A friend of mine has a 5.0 with bbk shorties, mac O/R h pipe and flows.

His wife has a 96 GT with the identical exhaust (well she has my bassani X pipe now) but when she had the mac pipe there was a HUGE difference in tone. Matt's 5.0 was much deeper and Jeanne's had that pinging tone and no rhasp that the 5.0 had.

Either way, they both sound better than a chevy :D

[Js281GT]

the 5.0's always to me sound like they have a much deeper tone yet rhaspier also. A friend of mine has a 5.0 with bbk shorties, mac O/R h pipe and flows.

His wife has a 96 GT with the identical exhaust (well she has my bassani X pipe now) but when she had the mac pipe there was a HUGE difference in tone. Matt's 5.0 was much deeper and Jeanne's had that pinging tone and no rhasp that the 5.0 had.

Either way, they both sound better than a chevy :D
Agreed, I hate how the fox's sound.

[Droptop2001GT]

My car sucks. :D

[NoSlo5.0]

My car sucks. :D

In keeping with the theme of the thread...Yes, yes it does! :thumpupn:

All that boost for a measly 400hp...tsk, tsk ;)

[Droptop2001GT]

In keeping with the theme of the thread...Yes, yes it does! :thumpupn:

All that boost for a measly 400hp...tsk, tsk ;)
I've got plenty of excuses...

A. the A/F is running really rich (peaks at 10.8:1 (http://hometown.aol.com/nfryan2160/images/daniels+408.jpg))
B. I still have the stock upper plenum and a 70mm throttle body, which greatly restricts the airflow into the engine.
C. 8.5:1 compression. The same setup on stock compression would make much closer to 450 at the tires. However, the internals would never survive.

Either way, those are all just lame excuses. I'm hoping to have them all cleared up within the next 3-4 weeks. I figure with an Accufab Plenum/Accufab 75mm TB, and a good aggressive tune (~11.8:1 A/F) on the ACCEL gen VII DFI, the car should make at least 460 hp and 495 tq to the tires at 13psi.

Maybe I can bump the car up to 16-18 psi just to see 500 rwhp for a dyno vid ;)

[thumpin347]

Agreed, I hate how the fox's sound.
umm, the reason the mod motor sounded like there was more ping in the exhaust note is because of the x-pipe. anyway, pushrod>mod motor

[FastRedPonyCar]

Ryan, I thought you had a fox lake enigne? Did you keep the factory internals??

[Droptop2001GT]

Ryan, I thought you had a fox lake enigne? Did you keep the factory internals??
I junked the whole stock engine. The foxlake engine I got is the entire longblock setup: block, cobra crank, forged H-beam rods, forged 8.5 CR pistons, stage 2 P&P heads, modmax cams, oversized ferrea valves, etc.

[FastRedPonyCar]

then why not crank the boost up more. 500 rwhp sould be streetable with a decent tune. Hell, dave's 02 GT has over 750 with the 2.2L blowzilla and he drives it every day. Those internals are good to 1000 hp. I say get your money's worth outta that! :D

[NoSlo5.0]

Sweet, to build a 302 based stroker to go to 1000hp would be disasterous without buying a $2500 block to stuff all the parts in. I didn't know 2v blocks were that strong. Maybe I need to start looking a little harder.

[thumpin347]

Sweet, to build a 302 based stroker to go to 1000hp would be disasterous without buying a $2500 block to stuff all the parts in. I didn't know 2v blocks were that strong. Maybe I need to start looking a little harder.
you wouldnt be able to squeeze 1000hp out of a 4.6 block either...blocks progressively have become weaker and weaker over the years...hence why people buy older blocks because they are made of a more pure iron whereas nowadays, the iron is actually diluted with other metals to reduce material costs.

[Junior2561]

Mod > Rod

[thumpin347]

if thats the case...why is it that you cant even break the 400 mark with forced induction??

[NoSlo5.0]

To each their own, pushrods for the mechanically inclined gearheads, modular power for those who don't know how to pull a valve cover and replace valve stem seals. They can bolt on a power adder and I'll keep on building power the "old fashioned" way.

In the modular owners defense, what chioce do they really have? You want anything newer than a 95 and you're stuck with the anemic 4.6L. Factory heads being the best and only offerings so far, maybe a port job and a bullit intake for "aftermarket" power. I'd wimp out and supercharge it too, there's no real alternative.

[Js281GT]

Agreed, I had a five oh & enjoyed workin on it. It was ALOT easier. The modulars you have to mark timing chains to take everything apart. I am not skilled enough to work on these motors yet. That is why I am going to purchase a 4.9 liter stroker from chp. Throw a aftercooled vortech system on, running 6 psi around the street. 15-20 psi at the track w/a pulley change. Bring my laptop & load my custom tune & program into my predator. That way you have the best of both worlds. For a half an hour time.

[Js281GT]

Then I will add my ported heads & cams when I put in the new block & then I'll be ready to rock & roll. :woohoo: :dance:

[thumpin347]

Then I will add my ported heads & cams when I put in the new block & then I'll be ready to rock & roll. :woohoo: :dance:
yet...you'll still see the tail lights of my car with a modest 100 shot:rofl:

[NoSlo5.0]

I'm on the fence, I like pushrod power, but I also like new edge cars. If I HAD to pick between a Fox with a 5.0 or an 04 with a 4.6, I'm afraid I'm more loyal to the outward appearance than the drivetrain.

[thumpin347]

I'm on the fence, I like pushrod power, but I also like new edge cars. If I HAD to pick between a Fox with a 5.0 or an 04 with a 4.6, I'm afraid I'm more loyal to the outward appearance than the drivetrain.
nothing wrong with that...i'd love to have an 04 32valve.

i just have unconditional love for my car...with all the blood n sweat that went into it...it being my first car, being the first car i tore up and put back together, my parents drove it off the lot in 12/92, sunday cruises with my pops.

but that doesnt take away from my argument pushrod>modular :thumpupn:

i mean, cmon now...you have a new edge with pushrod power, and you cant build a modular that puts out what your 347 does in terms of hp/tq all-motor on a realistic budget

[NoSlo5.0]

You are correct. I don't argue the finer points of "no replacement for displacement"

I know exactly what it means to have a deep emotional attachment to a car. It's obvious that not everyone around here does...

[Droptop2001GT]

nothing wrong with that...i'd love to have an 04 32valve.

i just have unconditional love for my car...with all the blood n sweat that went into it...it being my first car, being the first car i tore up and put back together, my parents drove it off the lot in 12/92, sunday cruises with my pops.

but that doesnt take away from my argument pushrod>modular :thumpupn:

i mean, cmon now...you have a new edge with pushrod power, and you cant build a modular that puts out what your 347 does in terms of hp/tq all-motor on a realistic budget
You're comparing apples to oranges though. It's simply not fair to compare a 347ci pushrod to a 281ci cammer. Which do you expect to make more power? Try comparing a 289ci small block Ford to a 4.6L DOHC for a more balanced comparison.

[Js281GT]

yet...you'll still see the tail lights of my car with a modest 100 shot:rofl:
I WILL have over 600 rwhp @ 20 mpg (highway). Hey I can get some nitrous too. :rofl: I WILL be mid 10's.

[Js281GT]

Look at project icebox! 11.2 with 8psi. Next they are going to up the boost to conservative 15 psi & throw in a 4.9 liter short block. Low 10's maybe 9's with 17 psi. All at 15-20mpg. A 9 second gas saver wow. :j:

[NoSlo5.0]

Again, all through power adders. I get 24mpg on the highway right now and 18 around town. What's your point?

Here's our point, who the hell cares about high HP numbers when you can't make as much torque as a straight six? You want big low rpm torque numbers from 4.6? You have to use a positive diplacement style supercharger. Two schools of thought here, some like to build power the old fashioned way, bigger cubes and better breathing. The other side is content to huff and puff their way to respectable times through stock equipment. Eventually, I'll huff and puff too, but building 400hp the old fashioned way was my original intention. I had no idea it wouldn't be enough power...

Oh, BTW, comments speculating on the future of your ride don't carry any weight. 600rwhp is your goal, now get going...be sure you can still pass CA emissions...

[Js281GT]

I get it done illegally now. My heads & cams are waiting in my closet. I will have 350rwhp before the blower & I still have the longtubes to put on but my car is too low for now. Prolly close to 370 for a little 4.6. I am hoping for 400 when I install my stroker block & add my heads, cams, & headers. :nya:

[Js281GT]

Have you got your 347 dynoed yet or taken it to the track? Right now I am putting my mustang on a diet. It weighs a little over 3300 lbs.

[thumpin347]

I WILL have over 600 rwhp @ 20 mpg (highway). Hey I can get some nitrous too. :rofl: I WILL be mid 10's.
you will be 10s my ass...learn a bit about drag racing...first off, your tranny will drop from the bottom of your car...your axle wont stand 3 passes on full slicks, and lastly, how are you going to get all that power to the ground??

remember, anyone can make power...its getting the power to the ground. getting a car into 11s isnt a simple task but it isnt hard...its getting it in the sub 11 second zone that is hard. you sound like nothing but a bench racer.

my friend has an all motor 306 puts out nothing more than 380 whp, but runs 10s. hows that? its all suspension that gets the car going down the track straight and sticking on a 5.5k launch.

guarantee you cant break 11.7 with your car even with all that precious work you are doing to it...and 11.7 is me being very generous

[thumpin347]

You're comparing apples to oranges though. It's simply not fair to compare a 347ci pushrod to a 281ci cammer. Which do you expect to make more power? Try comparing a 289ci small block Ford to a 4.6L DOHC for a more balanced comparison.
there are plenty 1st gen 289's out there that do it all motor, on an affordable budget putting out 375+rwhp

[Droptop2001GT]

I get it done illegally now. My heads & cams are waiting in my closet. I will have 350rwhp before the blower & I still have the longtubes to put on but my car is too low for now. Prolly close to 370 for a little 4.6. I am hoping for 400 when I install my stroker block & add my heads, cams, & headers. :nya:
Let me get this straight, you are going to make 370 rwhp before you put on the blower, then you add the blower and go for 600 rwhp? What kind of compression do you plan on running? A great flowing head/cam/intake setup wont make 370 rwhp with 8.5:1 compression on a mod motor. And there's now way that your stock internals will support 600rwhp. What am I missing here?

[NoSlo5.0]

I think he's planning a forged stroker shortblock as a part of the build. He's 25, just getting into the game, reality will reveal itself soon enough...

[Droptop2001GT]

Well, I hope it doesn't take me that long. I'm just 22.

[thumpin347]

Well, I hope it doesn't take me that long. I'm just 22.
i think ur on the right track, i'm 21 myself and i find myself to be educated in the game.

i just laugh my ass off at some of the claims i read on boards, and i LOVE pointing out the facts, and to see them throw me some other BS...i love it...seems like everyone has a monster between the shock towers of their engine bay, yet i have a HARD time finding them on the streets...like i always say

internet racers= :loser:

[Js281GT]

You guys are gay. I just wish you lived closer. & thumper how many grudge matches have you won? Lets see some timeslips you fuckin ninny!

[Js281GT]

you will be 10s my ass...learn a bit about drag racing...first off, your tranny will drop from the bottom of your car...your axle wont stand 3 passes on full slicks, and lastly, how are you going to get all that power to the ground??

remember, anyone can make power...its getting the power to the ground. getting a car into 11s isnt a simple task but it isnt hard...its getting it in the sub 11 second zone that is hard. you sound like nothing but a bench racer.

my friend has an all motor 306 puts out nothing more than 380 whp, but runs 10s. hows that? its all suspension that gets the car going down the track straight and sticking on a 5.5k launch.

guarantee you cant break 11.7 with your car even with all that precious work you are doing to it...and 11.7 is me being very generousI am already in the 12's, you dont think I can gain a second with a blower? :loser:
I just hate the fact that you come in here sayin that mod motors suck. Nothing of coarse beats cubic inches. I can take a 5.4 navigator motor & stroked it to a 6.0 then maybe I would be in the same category as you far as cubic inches. I am talkin about a little 4.6. The most I can get is 310 cubes. I do agree that pushrod are easier to work on, but modulars are more effecient.

[thumpin347]

see...thats the difference...you think you can gain a second simply with a blower...12s are easy to hit, anyone can hit 12s. getting into the low 11s-10s is hard work, or 10s as you've claimed...it comes down to suspension geometry, and dialing in your suspension set up...meaning, tubular k-member up front, coilovers up front, a form of a drag linked rear, posi, 31 spline axles, and the list goes on and on, to be consistent in the 11s.

the horsepower game is fun, but the drag game comes down to more than just horsepower, plain and simple.

as far as my drag racing...i'm not a racer, nor do i claim to be. can i build a car to race? sure...can i be competitive in sanctioned events...absolutely...do i have the money?? HELLS NO! i'd rather think of combos, and share the info with my friends who have the money to race in sanctioned events, and until i have money to build a car, i dont claim any times out of my car. its been in the 12s, so what? everyone and their mother is in the 12s, so it isnt much of a feat to me.

cmon man...we're all cool guys, no need to call us assholes...we are just discussing cars here. i like working on mod motors, and the thread was in a joking manner, until some guys felt their vaginas aching and called me out on being wrong. i know you can make power out of those cars, but have you seen the price for cams? or what a bullitt conversion costs to replace your plastic intake manifold? at those prices, the only person to build a respectable motor will have to be mr money bags, thats all i was saying originally.

anyway, no beef man...you're my buddy.

oh, and a navi motor in a GT wont do you squat. thats why you dont see many running around. too much work involved, like swapping k-members and front end suspension components, hacking at the shock towers, custom headers, and theres no parts to buy for a 5.4, so in the end its a pointless swap, and thats a fact.

anyway, good luck on your car man...sounds like you have big plans for it, and keep us posted on the progress of the car :thumpupn:

[Droptop2001GT]

How is going from a 12.92 to a "10 second car" only one second apart? Last I checked, you need to drop 2 whole seconds. Its like thumpin 347 said, that takes a lot more than just power. You're going to have to start fine-tuning your suspension just to get into the 11's.

[JPRCobra]

:nya: Whell sence were allin a pissing mach at midwest right now i have a big chife motor with a 110 mm turbo yes that is the biggest in the us right now so ha to you all if you have turbo ? ast me i eill be mor then happy to help

[thumpin347]

:nya: Whell sence were allin a pissing mach at midwest right now i have a big chife motor with a 110 mm turbo yes that is the biggest in the us right now so ha to you all if you have turbo ? ast me i eill be mor then happy to help
theres no pissing match going on here...just straightening out fact from myth...thats all

[Js281GT]

How is going from a 12.92 to a "10 second car" only one second apart? Last I checked, you need to drop 2 whole seconds. Its like thumpin 347 said, that takes a lot more than just power. You're going to have to start fine-tuning your suspension just to get into the 11's.
It is not going to be strictly a drag car. I love road racing more. I already have my suspension done from maximum motorsports. It hooks. If i din't live in Cali I would have already have put on longtubes/cams. Ya thumper I know they are expensive because you need two of them. Dohc 4. I know my car is a biatch, I have to raise my motor to put headers on. On five oh's you dont have to do that. Shit you can put a cam in a five oh with the block still in the car. I am just waiting to find someone to pass me so I can put on my longtubes & cams, then get some ported heads. My goal is to be in the 11's n/a than once I accomplished that, then I want to throw my 4.9 stroker & blower combo in there & hope for the best. But it will still handle great. :beerchug:

[thumpin347]

ummm...a road race suspension is definately not good for drag racing...its actually worse than a stock suspension setup for the strip

[Js281GT]

What I have done to my suspension is bilsteins, (sports) Maximum caster cambers, maximum super subs, and sportline springs. It seriously handles great. So you think I shouldn't add the panhard bar or tourqe arm, if I want to drag it. So you think I might as well get a five oh coupe & add everything drag in it like drag springs/shocks, unstead of adding those parts? I like coupes that's what my buddies have that work at maximum. Theirs weigh 2900 lbs. I just think mine would be better for handling since it is wider.

[Droptop2001GT]

SoCal is like a disease that infects the brain.

[Js281GT]

And you have beautiful weather & a nice ocean.

[thumpin347]

What I have done to my suspension is bilsteins, (sports) Maximum caster cambers, maximum super subs, and sportline springs. It seriously handles great. So you think I shouldn't add the panhard bar or tourqe arm, if I want to drag it. So you think I might as well get a five oh coupe & add everything drag in it like drag springs/shocks, unstead of adding those parts? I like coupes that's what my buddies have that work at maximum. Theirs weigh 2900 lbs. I just think mine would be better for handling since it is wider.
i never said you should buy a 5 oh coupe...JEEZ, stop thinking i'm attacking you all the time...i'm simply pointing out facts...you do what you want with your car...i'm done with giving you any sort of advice...you spend your money the way you want to and put the power to the ground the way you want to...

[Js281GT]

lol I don't think you are attacking me. I just want the best of both worlds & I guess I can't, since I want a torque arm & panhard bar. I guess I will get a coupe, a project coupe. 2900 lbs is pretty light. What do you think about the factory five cobras? Write down your responses, I want to know. I have to go now b/c I am off work. I will read your responses on Monday, but have a good weekend & enjoy the best superbowl of all time. :beerchug:

[JPRCobra]

:nya: one of the better kits out there other then a shelby kit ther nice and if your not all hard core race you will relly like on the other hand stayy the Hell Away from Street Beast the where under a difrent name and went und 4 poor quality kits when we almost turn them away any more the tat bug of a pain in the ass

[thumpin347]

the factory five kit is sweet. if you have the money, time, and know how, you'll have alot of fun building one. i'd suggest you find a fox roller with all the running gear...i.e. spindles, brakes, etc. you can throw in a steeda 4 or 5 link out back, and build a decent stroker and drop it in, with a t-56...you wont need alot of power in one to go fast..400hp will get you high 11s in something that light

[thumpin347]

:nya: one of the better kits out there other then a shelby kit ther nice and if your not all hard core race you will relly like on the other hand stayy the Hell Away from Street Beast the where under a difrent name and went und 4 poor quality kits when we almost turn them away any more the tat bug of a pain in the ass
speak english man

[NoSlo5.0]

lol I don't think you are attacking me. I just want the best of both worlds & I guess I can't, since I want a torque arm & panhard bar. I guess I will get a coupe, a project coupe. 2900 lbs is pretty light. What do you think about the factory five cobras? Write down your responses, I want to know. I have to go now b/c I am off work. I will read your responses on Monday, but have a good weekend & enjoy the best superbowl of all time. :beerchug:

I had the MM panhard on my 95, definitely go for that. The torque arm too. It will greatly improve traction, I'll eventually go back to that setup so long as I can retain tailpipes. I think MM has reworked their panhard to support that. If not I'll go with the new Steeda 5 link rear.

As far as 11's go...I'd settle for mid to low 12's on your motor with that suspension setup. What you'll eventually end up doing is building a 450rwhp car than can still turn 11's with a 2.2 to 2.4 sec 60ft time. You'll just have to have mad power to make up for the crappy launches. Your trap speeds will be likely around 126mph. I think you're on the right path with your suspension so far, just don't expect it launch like car with 90/10's and skinnies. I much prefer a corner carving experience to a hard launch.

[Js281GT]

I had the MM panhard on my 95, definitely go for that. The torque arm too. It will greatly improve traction, I'll eventually go back to that setup so long as I can retain tailpipes. I think MM has reworked their panhard to support that. If not I'll go with the new Steeda 5 link rear.

As far as 11's go...I'd settle for mid to low 12's on your motor with that suspension setup. What you'll eventually end up doing is building a 450rwhp car than can still turn 11's with a 2.2 to 2.4 sec 60ft time. You'll just have to have mad power to make up for the crappy launches. Your trap speeds will be likely around 126mph. I think you're on the right path with your suspension so far, just don't expect it launch like car with 90/10's and skinnies. I much prefer a corner carving experience to a hard launch.
Thanks for the info! I won $450 for the superbowl. I am stoked. :woohoo:

[Js281GT]

speak english man
That was the first thing I read when I got in this morning. It gave me a headache.

[NoSlo5.0]

Thanks for the info! I won $450 for the superbowl. I am stoked. :woohoo:

There's the torque arm!

[Junior2561]

if thats the case...why is it that you cant even break the 400 mark with forced induction??
safe tune and i am still only 3rwhp away from 400. i would like to work ona 5.0 tho, seems easy.

[thumpin347]

safe tune and i am still only 3rwhp away from 400. i would like to work ona 5.0 tho, seems easy.
i wouldnt say its easy...depends which route you want to go. i prefer building motors, and motor combinations whereas the mod motor guys can only resort to forced induction because of lack of aftermarket goods. theres alot of formulas for pushrod 302s...so in that sense, its easy...to build a good motor, on the other hand isnt that easy...and it also depends who does your work...

if you write checks, then of course its easy, just pick your parts and drop the car off...i like to do all of my own work, so its far from easy

[Fastest302]

lol nice stang pics

[thumpin347]

lol nice stang pics
who

[Js281GT]

My favorite combo is a 331 stroker afr 185 & cobra intake. The holley system max 2 is pretty sweet too.

[thumpin347]

My favorite combo is a 331 stroker afr 185 & cobra intake. The holley system max 2 is pretty sweet too.
putting a cobra intake on top of a built 331 would just restrict the motor

[Js281GT]

putting a cobra intake on top of a built 331 would just restrict the motor
What about trick flow or GT40? My buddy has a 347 with ported victor juniors & an aggressive cam. He is saving for a turbo kit. He want to hit 9's :j:

[NoSlo5.0]

My Cobra lower is ported and my upper is extrude honed, it works okay on my 347. A systemax would be better. I'm a slave to the looks of the Cobra on my year car. I'll deal with the restrictions. The lower can actually be made to flow quite well for 302 engines. It just isn't enough for strokers. The GT40 uses the same lower, it sucks worse than an extrude honed cast Cobra.

With ported Vic Jr's, you need a short runner high rpm intake to match. The 347 makes a lot of torque, it would be best to gear the rear with 3.73's or 4.10's and use a victor efi intake to go with them. IMO of course.

[thumpin347]

werd, what NoSlo said...go with the victor intake. what kinda block is that 347 based off of? if its a production block, tell him to sell if off as a shortblock. if he really wants to hit 9s, i say go with an R-302 or A4 or dart block, bore it .030" (306c.i.) built for hi rev(7k+rpm) with a jericho 3 spd., or C4 based tranny w/ transbrake, 4.10s and boost the shit out of a T-66 or bigger with a DFI or equivalent management unit....thats the speed formula for a 9 second street car

[Js281GT]

He has the a4 4 bolt main. It is scary in his car he has stock suspension & brakes. he doesn't even have his subframes on the fricken thing. We all know five oh's handle & brake like shiznit at high speeds. He is putting in a cage before he does any suspension.

[PhaQGM]

I not going to argue that they are a b!tch when it comes to a tear down, but I don't know of anybody with a 302 in the 10's on motor alone. One of my best friends is in the 9's with a 86 fox, but he has built and rebuilt that motor countless times. He's got it stroked to 347 and uses a 225 hp shot of juice to get him there. On motor w/ slicks he's in the 12's. Now that's with 64 more ci's to play with... but let's talk about the milder guys.. tell me about somebody with a stroked 308 in the 10's on motor and you'll have my attention just the same. I have nothing against pushrod's at all, but you gotta take notice when somebody puts a 2V in the 10's on motor.

Jon

My dad has a 1965 Ranchero (3400lbs) that was running high 11's with a 289 and a 4 speed back in the early '70's. It currently has a 351c with a C4 and runs 11.0's. The thing about the car is that you have to push it down hill when it's in neutral. Once we fix whatever is dragging, it will most definately be a mid to low 10 second car.

[Slow04Stang]

the 302 is as old as dirt so there will be more ways that are well know to get the 302 in the 10's so in a couple of years the same things will be out there for the 4.6 all motor poeple a couple of years ago there was not a all motor 4.6 in the 10's and know there is so give it 2 years and it will just be an every day thing

[Black Stallion]

Your stangs are all faster than mine, because MINE IS :censored:ING STOCK!