Twin Turbo

[jbarr668]

Anyone here have twin turbos or any other turbo set up on their stangs? I have been contemplating on whether or not to get the twin turbo set up as seen HERE (http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm) or to go with the Eaton or KB blower. If I go the Blower route I will have to change out my hood to a Cobra one then get it painted in addition to the cost of the set up and install and would probably achieve close to 400rwhp. With the turbo set up I could easily achieve 450rwhp, which is enough for now being I have the 2v motor. But if down the road I build the bottom end I could achieve a lot more. Thought I would try and get some tech threads going instead of the same ole mush mush non stang related ones. ;)

[_eazy_]

Anyone here have twin turbos or any other turbo set up on their stangs? I have been contemplating on whether or not to get the twin turbo set up as seen HERE (http://www.turbochargedpower.com/96-04%20Mustang.htm) or to go with the Eaton or KB blower. If I go the Blower route I will have to change out my hood to a Cobra one then get it painted in addition to the cost of the set up and install and would probably achieve close to 400rwhp. With the turbo set up I could easily achieve 450rwhp, which is enough for now being I have the 2v motor. But if down the road I build the bottom end I could achieve a lot more. Thought I would try and get some tech threads going instead of the same ole mush mush non stang related ones. ;)


after driving a twin turbo honda civ... i am dead set on turbo. it may be rice... but i'd put it on my stang in a heartbeat... you mash the gas and it feels like you're stock car with a little extra zip... then, after the lag goes away... you get THROWN back in your seat and can baerly hold onto the wheel. the civ i drove had about 400rwhp. it was awesome.

[jbarr668]

after driving a twin turbo honda civ... i am dead set on turbo. it may be rice... but i'd put it on my stang in a heartbeat... you mash the gas and it feels like you're stock car with a little extra zip... then, after the lag goes away... you get THROWN back in your seat and can baerly hold onto the wheel. the civ i drove had about 400rwhp. it was awesome.
I dont consider the turbo to be rice, just a form of HP! Its all the wild after markets ground fx and tripple wings ppl put on there care that is the rice piece. Thx for the feedback.

[gotvenm]

Im going turbo at some point as well... only I am looking at just a single with only 5 or 6 lbs of boost, which ought to put me in the 460 range from what I have seen on similar setups. I was going to go KB, but they arent making the numbers that they advertise so far for the 4v setup.

[thumpin347]

KB units can make up to 550whp with the right tune. as far as turbo cars go, i dont recommend turbo cars for ANYONE who dont know how the system works. if you are tempted to go the turbo route, go to turbomustangs.com, some of them have been doing it before turbo kits were available so they have alot of time under their belts in what works and what doesnt. but those guys get sick of answering noob turbo questions so do a search before asking any generic question. basically, turbo cars run into oil consumption problems and a bitch to tune right...i've seen 7 grand motors go kaboom after a turbo was thrown on and the tune wasnt right. i say go with KB twin screw and be done with it...roots type blowers will give you the tire shredding torque you are looking for...turbo cars are more of a top end performer and until you hit boost, you will be wondering where the power is.

IMO, kenne bell twin screw all the way, you'll run into more detonation problems with a turbo and if the tune isnt on the money, kiss your roush goodbye. look into the bigger centrifugal head units as well...they sound bad ass and a bypass valve can sound like a blow off valve

[thumpin347]

Im going turbo at some point as well... only I am looking at just a single with only 5 or 6 lbs of boost, which ought to put me in the 460 range from what I have seen on similar setups. I was going to go KB, but they arent making the numbers that they advertise so far for the 4v setup.
03/04 cobras are putting down 650+ on a KB set up...but then again, they can handle more boost than the 99-01s with their forged internals

[jbarr668]

KB units can make up to 550whp with the right tune. as far as turbo cars go, i dont recommend turbo cars for ANYONE who dont know how the system works. if you are tempted to go the turbo route, go to turbomustangs.com, some of them have been doing it before turbo kits were available so they have alot of time under their belts in what works and what doesnt. but those guys get sick of answering noob turbo questions so do a search before asking any generic question. basically, turbo cars run into oil consumption problems and a bitch to tune right...i've seen 7 grand motors go kaboom after a turbo was thrown on and the tune wasnt right. i say go with KB twin screw and be done with it...roots type blowers will give you the tire shredding torque you are looking for...turbo cars are more of a top end performer and until you hit boost, you will be wondering where the power is.

IMO, kenne bell twin screw all the way, you'll run into more detonation problems with a turbo and if the tune isnt on the money, kiss your roush goodbye. look into the bigger centrifugal head units as well...they sound bad ass and a bypass valve can sound like a blow off valve
Thx Thumpin.

[Domin8stang]

starns i noticed u said the civic had 400rwhp? dont u mean fwhp?

[blaindsmith]

hope you got the money cause i wish i did...

http://www.inductionconcepts.com/Mustang4.6GT.php

[_eazy_]

starns i noticed u said the civic had 400rwhp? dont u mean fwhp?


thanks for correcting me ;)

[_eazy_]

hope you got the money cause i wish i did...

http://www.inductionconcepts.com/Mustang4.6GT.php


good lord. that kit is amazing... 650HP and all the things you need to go that fast... suspension..fuel... ect.

god i wish i had 9 G's

simply amazing... wonder if it comes with directions :lol:

[gotvenm]

03/04 cobras are putting down 650+ on a KB set up...but then again, they can handle more boost than the 99-01s with their forged internals

Yes they can handle alot more boost. Any more then 8lbs on a 99-01, and its just a matter of time before something breaks regardless of your tune. KB released a kit for the 99-01's and it isnt performing like they advertised from what I have been reading. I have been waiting a long time for that kit from KB, but you have to modify your block to install it on the 99-01's and Im unwilling to do that at this point. There was a Mach1 that had a 5lb turbo setup that was tuned by murillo in 5.0 awhile back that made 440 rwhp, I think thats the way to go...imho

[NoSlo5.0]

Tuning a turbo setup isn't any more difficult than tuning a supercharger setup. If you don't have the right diagnostic tools (wideband/dyno) don't even consider tuning it yourself. That goes for any power adder.

Superchargers are a significant parasitic drag on an engine, upwards of 50hp is commonplace. The turbo doesn't suffer the same ill effect, you just have to size it right to avoid any turbo lag. I don't think it's even an issue with the modern kits.

If I were going to buy a supercharger, KB would get the call. It's the lightest weight setup of them all. The last thing you need is more weight hanging out past the front wheels. Not to mention, their positive displacement style operation makes huge torque down low, something centrifugals don't/can't do. Hmmm, I think I'd go KB before a turbo, just for the cleaner underhood look.

[TheSickness]

If you truely want a twin turbo setup you're on the right track with the HP setup. I would HIGHLY recommend talking to Tim (Cobra Killer) on the www.ModularPowerHouse.com (http://www.ModularPowerHouse.com) forums. His shop will do a quality install and Tim knows his stuff when it comes to the tune, you would have nothing to fear with him tuning your car.

If you decide to go with a KB sc, again I would say talk to Tim. They got 597rwhp out of the KB 2.2L unit on a 2V GT (G.I. Joe) with Tim doing the tuning. And that was through a spent auto tranny that was slipping. Dave(G.I. Joe) replaced the tranny with a C4 and I'm positive that this car will be in the 600+hp zone with no trouble.

If it were me I'd lean to the twins myself, but both kits Kick some serious A$$. You won't be disappointed with either. But with my lack of funds I'll stick with the :nos: for now. I hope that you find some of this useful. Whatever you decide weather it be SC or turbo, I say talk to Tim he won't steer you wrong.

Jon

[jbarr668]

If you truely want a twin turbo setup you're on the right track with the HP setup. I would HIGHLY recommend talking to Tim (Cobra Killer) on the www.ModularPowerHouse.com (http://www.ModularPowerHouse.com) forums. His shop will do a quality install and Tim knows his stuff when it comes to the tune, you would have nothing to fear with him tuning your car.

If you decide to go with a KB sc, again I would say talk to Tim. They got 597rwhp out of the KB 2.2L unit on a 2V GT (G.I. Joe) with Tim doing the tuning. And that was through a spent auto tranny that was slipping. Dave(G.I. Joe) replaced the tranny with a C4 and I'm positive that this car will be in the 600+hp zone with no trouble.

If it were me I'd lean to the twins myself, but both kits Kick some serious A$$. You won't be disappointed with either. But with my lack of funds I'll stick with the :nos: for now. I hope that you find some of this useful. Whatever you decide weather it be SC or turbo, I say talk to Tim he won't steer you wrong.

Jon
Thanks for the info Jon. Right now I am now leaning towards the ProCharger route until I get an engine built to handle the full impact a TT can deliver.

[thumpin347]

Thanks for the info Jon. Right now I am now leaning towards the ProCharger route until I get an engine built to handle the full impact a TT can deliver.
Procharger D1 head units will put out just as much HP as a medium sized turbo. you should consider building an engine to house the full impact of a D1/TT before any power adder. you can always go with a smaller P1 and run 8lbs of boost...but you are still limited in the fun you can have on full boost runs with stock rotating assembly.

dont think turbo cars are better than SC cars...they are carrying the hype since every other "joe" wants to run one since kits are now being mass produced and affordable compared to TDC 5 years ago being the only producer of these kits running 8 grand with 6 months turn around time. even a couple years ago people were having a really hard time getting their kits without missing something, and in a timely fashion. the only way to get into forced induction is to have a motor built specifically for the power adder and boost numbers you want to run.

stock refreshened 302 on ported stock heads and ported stock intake put out 493whp on my friend's 91 with a D1 and 14#s of boost...definately plenty of power for the street and track.

the only problem i see with your car and your goals of high hp is the fact its a convertible and the structural integrity of a drop top. better cage that sucker up and throw on some subframes to reduce chassis flex. i've seen convertibles making 500+, and a season at the track with some slicks resulted in misaligned body panels with messed up gaps between doors, and fenders. just something to keep in mind

[Vinosaner]

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[1hotpony]

I went with the Vortech supercharger with charge cooler, dynoed last week at 455.6 rwhp. later I'll be forgeing the bottom end and maybe push up the boost, but for now 455.6 rwhp is enough for me. To some people 455 rwhp isn't much ,but this will deffinately put you back in your seat. I started to go with a twin set up,but more money and actually I'm glad I went with the Vortech. great quallity! lol ,on which one you go with.

[spiffy]

IMO supercharger= easy hp/tq turbocharer= can be tuff to tune on none factory turbo cars but the reward is more then worth it.. after that first OMG! HOLY SH*t from the firist good spool up.. you will know...

[crimsonblack]

Check out "HERNASTYNOTCH". she's got a turbo on her 5.0 and is sitting at nearly 500hp right now.

[tommyd04gt]

Talk to saleecsc281 @www.ctmotorsports.net He's had twin turbos for a while and may help you with the decisions. I know there have been issues, but he's sticking with them.

[91GT347]

Thought about a single turbo ?

[Yumaguy]

I would go supercharger myself, but it is your car and your choice. try this link for some complete kits that are really good not to mention Rick Anderson really nows what he is doing when it comes to mustangs and tuning mustangs.

http://www.andersonfordmotorsport.com/

at the top of the page go to 2007 catalog, then veiw catalog online, select supercharger kits on the left and then on page 38 is the vortech kit for $4600, and on page 40 is the procharger kit for $4840 both complete kits and will deffinetly make your car put down some power. Not to mention the customer service is the best i have ever delt with.